Outdoor Wood Furnace Info
All-Purpose OWF Discussions => General Outdoor Furnace Discussion => Topic started by: MaverickM23 on February 23, 2013, 07:26:01 AM
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Been looking into getting an OWB and been doing some research on this site trying to decide on one. However I was told that since I am in PA I must only purchase one off of this list http://www.epa.gov/burnwise/owhhlist.html. (http://www.epa.gov/burnwise/owhhlist.html.) So If I am to buy an OWB does it have to be from this list? I have been looking at a Heatmaster 5000E and Tennessee Outdoor stove but neither of those are on the list. Guess I just need a little clarification as to what I should or can even be looking for. My township does not have any restrictions on OWB's
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theres nothing saying about buying a coal stove !!!! they are not banned
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Been looking into getting an OWB and been doing some research on this site trying to decide on one. However I was told that since I am in PA I must only purchase one off of this list http://www.epa.gov/burnwise/owhhlist.html. (http://www.epa.gov/burnwise/owhhlist.html.) So If I am to buy an OWB does it have to be from this list? I have been looking at a Heatmaster 5000E and Tennessee Outdoor stove but neither of those are on the list. Guess I just need a little clarification as to what I should or can even be looking for. My township does not have any restrictions on OWB's
I sell heatmaster and can say we're not supposed to sell them in pa. It's supposed to be only the EPA phase 2 units.
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Well if nobody gives u an idea, I will
look up portageandmainboilers.com
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The state of PA is one of 9 states that require OWF's to be Phase 2 qualified. they would be listed on the site/ list above and also have an EPA hang tag on them.
If you go outside of the state and purchase/install a none qualified unit and a nieghbor, inspector or insurance man finds out and reports it, you will be forced to shut furnace down and subject to a large daily fine until you do. You can thank EPA and your state legistlators for implementing these programs.
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I live in Pa. and had issues with my township. I wanted a non gasser simply because of less maintenance and less hassle of keeping the fire going. I know people with gasser's and a lot aren't happy with them. I found out on Shaver's web site if you purchase a OWB with grates and ash pan it can be used for coal and there's no EPA emissions on a coal stove in Pa. and other states. Also if the OWB is 350,000 btu's that also would be legal. I then purchased the earth mountain man 500 and love it as its very simple to use and maintain. It's also built like a tank. Just the weight of the unit sold me on it as is why I believe its a heavy duty OWB. Hope this helps out and good luck.
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There is the coal loop hole for sure.....
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Thats rediculous, I didn't realize PA had all these regs. But a friend of mine has a CB Classic and he swears the guy he got it from is still selling that same model and its not on the list of approved furnaces. I was leaning at first towards gassers because of the wood saving, I have lots of wood available but already cut for my parents who use two indoor stoves and want something that will run and burn efficiently so that I dont need 10 cords. I was thinking Heatmaster 5000E but since its not on the list maybe I have to go with a gasser type. I guess what Im trying to find out is typical wood usage on some of these approved models. Im trying to heat about a 3800 square foot home.
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Scott7m got a question for you. How long do you think this coal loop hole will last before the EPA steps in and in a old post you mentioned you might become a dealer for earth. What are your thoughts on earth? I'm very happy with mine and last time I called earth they say they have a EPA phase 2 boiler and already have a few sold.
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dont know a thing about US laws but how could they say a poor peasant has to stop burning coal when they are still allowing coal fired electric plants? ::)
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Scott7m got a question for you. How long do you think this coal loop hole will last before the EPA steps in and in a old post you mentioned you might become a dealer for earth. What are your thoughts on earth? I'm very happy with mine and last time I called earth they say they have a EPA phase 2 boiler and already have a few sold.
The loop hole will get slammed shut very soon IMO.
My thoughts on earth? Interesting you ask, I spoke with them for almost 90 mins yesterday about some new units there coming out with and I must say, I'm definelty impressed with the company and work ethic they all seem to have. In my original effort to become a dealer, there was a thing or two I wasn't crazy about but they seem to be really proactive. All I feel comfortable in saying is that when there new unit comes out, it could def put a damper on the down draft guys...
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dont know a thing about US laws but how could they say a poor peasant has to stop burning coal when they are still allowing coal fired electric plants? ::)
Because they can.... It's not anything to do with the coal, just the power to tell someone else what to do
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Thanks Scott7m, always good info and post.
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MaverickM23 where in Pa. are you located?
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...the down draft guys...
Newb, still trying to learn the lingo. By "down draft guys", do you mean gassifier manufacturers?
Interesting to hear that your estimation of the Earth gang may be changing.
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...the down draft guys...
Newb, still trying to learn the lingo. By "down draft guys", do you mean gassifier manufacturers?
Interesting to hear that your estimation of the Earth gang may be changing.
Well... Yes I mean downdraft gasifiers, they have something new.
I'm interested in hearing more from them, not saying I agree with them on everything and all there ideas, but they sure seem to be motivated and have some high energy
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Thanks Scott.
I am also still considering them, being as they are about 1 1/2 hrs down the road from me.
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theres nothing saying about buying a coal stove !!!! they are not banned
That is true..They are in a different classification
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Im in Central PA. I just bought this house in June it was built in 2003 but is heated with HWB and an oil fired boiler and in the month of January I used 200 gallons of oil to keep it at 58 degrees, now it was cold here. Had my mind set on an indoor wood boiler set up with storage but have been doing some more research and maybe leaning more towards OWB. Like I said I have lots of wood but don't want to burn an enormous amount. Im a school teacher so I need to be able to load it in the morning and in the evening. I also may heat my shop next to it in the near future.
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The state of PA is one of 9 states that require OWF's to be Phase 2 qualified. they would be listed on the site/ list above and also have an EPA hang tag on them.
If you go outside of the state and purchase/install a none qualified unit and a nieghbor, inspector or insurance man finds out and reports it, you will be forced to shut furnace down and subject to a large daily fine until you do. You can thank EPA and your state legistlators for implementing these programs.
What if it was on the property when you bought it...pre existing?
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The state of PA is one of 9 states that require OWF's to be Phase 2 qualified. they would be listed on the site/ list above and also have an EPA hang tag on them.
If you go outside of the state and purchase/install a none qualified unit and a nieghbor, inspector or insurance man finds out and reports it, you will be forced to shut furnace down and subject to a large daily fine until you do. You can thank EPA and your state legistlators for implementing these programs.
What if it was on the property when you bought it...pre existing?
Likely ok, but the laws are changing on stuff like that as well.... We just need to wait and see what all pans out, whtever it is, it won't be pretty
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I believe "down draft" is when the air flow is down like the newer gasification boilers. Many, but not all, blow the hot gases from the initial combustion downward for secondary combustion of the gases. Having this heat below the initial combustion may also preheat the wood and contribute to greater thermodynamic efficiency like the feedwater heaters in coal plants.
OK - You can't have certain outdoor boilers in Pennsylvania. What happens if you just build a shed around them? Are they still OWBs then or just an indoor boiler"
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dont know a thing about US laws but how could they say a poor peasant has to stop burning coal when they are still allowing coal fired electric plants? ::)
Because they can.... It's not anything to do with the coal, just the power to tell someone else what to do
You got that right Scott!
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Try Mahoning furnaces. They can burn coal and they're made in Pa.
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I live in Montgomery PA. North eastern PA. My woodstove is a 2006 Hardy H4. My grandparents had it installed since 2008. I don't think they ever had any issues nor have I. Of course we live outside the township so there are a few people around me that have them with no issues thus far. I don't really see what the big deal is as to why they have to regulate these. What's the difference if you burn wood with a cast stove which creates smoke or use a OWB? Just a power thing I guess. They want you to spend your hard earned money of fuel oil and such but bi*ch because you are using up all the fossel fuels and it's not enviromentally "friendly".........