Outdoor Wood Furnace Info
All-Purpose OWF Discussions => General Outdoor Furnace Discussion => Topic started by: DaveWertz on November 20, 2013, 11:28:42 PM
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Lets just say I am not having any problems knock on wood. But Im the type of person I "want to know everything". Anyhow. I was down in the basement looking at my new insulated pex job and admiring it :P and started thinking about where my well could be? Now there is a pipe that runs into the west side of my house threw the basement wall straight into my pressure tank. So I take it that I have a submercible<--- I spell that right lol. Now outside where the pipe runs in the basement I have about 10' to my shed and a concrete pad. Could it be real possible that the well is within that 10' distance of my home? I cant see it running under the concrete slab and out further. I would like to know where it is located incase I ever have to do some repairs..
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Lets just say I am not having any problems knock on wood. But Im the type of person I "want to know everything". Anyhow. I was down in the basement looking at my new insulated pex job and admiring it :P and started thinking about where my well could be? Now there is a pipe that runs into the west side of my house threw the basement wall straight into my pressure tank. So I take it that I have a submercible<--- I spell that right lol. Now outside where the pipe runs in the basement I have about 10' to my shed and a concrete pad. Could it be real possible that the well is within that 10' distance of my home? I cant see it running under the concrete slab and out further. I would like to know where it is located incase I ever have to do some repairs..
Have you checked with the previous owners? Someone should have it on file somewhere. Perhaps someone in the Town Clerks office can assist. Just a couple of ideas. Roger
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Yeah, How old is your house? If it's fairly new there may be a map around showing it's location. I would ask neighbors or past owners first and then see what maps might be filed wherever your deed is filed.
Is your property line on that side of the house fairly close? How about your septic tank? A well usually needs to be at least 100' feet away, at least here in NY (Not that it won't be closer, especially in an older home).
Maybe it's time for a metal detector or dowsing rods.
Gregg
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Wow, you folks up in the northeast file everything and the govt even knows where u drink, wow weeee.
That would never fly down here, I'm glad that it don't, but a lot of homes down here have wells that are actually part of the kitchen and home, so the well comes up inside the home, I bet those nosey northeastern govts would love that
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The house was my grandfathers but he passed away a few yrs back and my grandmother dont have a clue where it is at. The house was built in 1901. The septic is on the complete opposite side of the house.... I was told it should be easy to find. If there is one pipe coming threw the basement that usually means its a shallow well which wouldn't leave the well cap buried far down. If it has 2 pipes its a deep well. This correct???
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I have 2 houses with wells located within 10ft of the structure, both are about 65ft deep, one is submersible. Around here, SE Indiana, if the the PO can't tell you where it is your pretty much your own, these well were all driven before city water came along in the 60's. There should be some above ground indication, don't be suprised that a concrete pad is on top of the line, after diggin for a number of days, I finally found a septic under a 27ft above ground pool. Good luck!!!!!!!!!!!
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"Usually" a submersible has an above ground cap, that's where they drilled it and dropped the piping and pump in (and take it out for repairs) but there are obviously many ways it can be done. Part of my job is to locate private utilities and an underground locator will follow a metal pipe and many tell depth too, if you know of someone who works with utility stuff near you I would ask before starting to dig with a shovel.
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Know anyone who can witch your line for you?
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I called my uncle who grew up in the house. Now he said right where the line exits threw my basement is where the well is. There is a faucet outside then a concrete slab. He said its right under that slab. I got down and looked threw the pipe that the actual water line runs threw and it goes about 4ft out of the wall then looks like goes straight up? Could be just the way I was looking at it. He said he was a kid when they replaced that pump so thats how he remembered where it was. But hes unsure how deep it is and all that good stuff. The line dont go straight out either its kind of angled directly towards that slab. I know where my septic is at. That I have to have pumped every 3yrs so we marked it with a concrete cap.
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Wow, you folks up in the northeast file everything and the govt even knows where u drink, wow weeee.
That would never fly down here, I'm glad that it don't, but a lot of homes down here have wells that are actually part of the kitchen and home, so the well comes up inside the home, I bet those nosey northeastern govts would love that
I own my late folks house. For many years the well was under the house (best dang water ever tasted - very cold). But, it would dry up nearly every summer. So, we decided that when we had a new heating system installed, to be sure the water was there when it called for it, we decided to have an artesian well dug. In order to that, we needed to get permits. We were told it needed to be inspected for safety reason. I understand safety. Now, not only did we need permits the plumber, they were needed for the electrical work that was performed. They previous inspector was a stickler and it took a quite bit to pass inspection, and then, and only then were we able to use the systems we spent a great deal money on.
The new inspector is someone I grew up with. When I installed the OWB, I had to get a permit. After I dug the trench for the Thermopex and electrical, I called him to inform him to set up a time to inspect it. He told to go ahead and burry everything. He never inspected it. When the OWB was connected and ready to flow water, I again called him to let him know that we need to have it inspected. He told me to fire it up and that he'd stop by on his way home from work (he has to go by my house). Well, I'm on my 3rd season with my heating system and I'm still waiting for an inspection. I'm not complaining. Roger
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Its always easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission. More of your government knowing whats best for you.
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Its always easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission. More of your government knowing whats best for you.
Yep same way when I installed my solar. Our govt is in the way of everything!!!
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when i put my lines if for my solar i had to go under the telephone lines. the guy doing the digging had one fo them rigs you hook a ground on the telophone box and then mark it with the part you hold in you hand as you walk away form the telephone box...you know, it makes a tone as you get close and it gets louder and louder untill you are moving away from it and then is quiets down..well after he marked where it was he took the wand and put it right over the top of the line he had marked, moved the wand sideways till it was on a 45 degree angle (while the tip was still on teh painted line) now he began to move slowly side ways until he got that tone and then moved a little more till it got loud..as soon as it quieted he marked the ground, measured the distance between the two lines and said that is how far down the line is.....he was right on the money :o
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Wow, you folks up in the northeast file everything and the govt even knows where u drink, wow weeee.
That would never fly down here, I'm glad that it don't, but a lot of homes down here have wells that are actually part of the kitchen and home, so the well comes up inside the home, I bet those nosey northeastern govts would love that
Its not as bad as it sounds Scott. At least not in my area. Not everything gets filed but many subdivisions that are newer than about 1960 have filed maps with well/septics shown to make sure there is enough room on a lot for both.
That being said, I'm a land surveyor so the more maps required, the more work for me.
Gregg
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Kaya, Where are you from? I want my land serveyed this spring. Me and another land owner want to swap land but I only found 1 pin. I would like to get pins out so I know what and exactly where my property lines are. I.M me if you can...
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Been on both sides of the inspection game, I think most people can see that some installations need next to nothing and can be a great learning experience but some installs need a helping hand. Hard to say the idea is not a good?
Newer locating equipment can use energized line without direct connection or inject a signal and can show deths to the tenth of an inch but I am not knocking past methods, had a friends dad "witch" out a place where a well digger drilled on my dad's property and it has a great water supply to this day so both sides of that too?
Hope you find your well, just a fish tape could tell you a lot. Dave when you say the pipe looks like it goes straight up that sounds like the fitting used at the well called a pitiless adapter, the stem points up the pipe and all the piping down hangs on that fitting. At least it sounds like that is what it could be!
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Is there anyway to determine if its a deep well or not by the pipes coming threw the basement? I asked a fella about it today and he said its probably a shallow well since there is only one pipe coming threw. What difference does that make?
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If the pump was in your basement, than a single line would indicate a shallow well. But in your case you have (I believe) a submersible pump in the well. It would be a single line whether it were shallow or deep.
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Around my area, you should see a 6-8" pipe with cap sticking out of ground. On shallow wells there is usually a pump house above ground.
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If the pump was in your basement, than a single line would indicate a shallow well. But in your case you have (I believe) a submersible pump in the well. It would be a single line whether it were shallow or deep.
I would have totally agreed with you before I bought my house last year but I'm not so sure now.
I have a submersable pump for sure but I also have what appears to be casing running down a stone lined shallow well. I've heard that they used to drill down through shallow wells but the casing I have flops around so I'm not sure if it goes below the bottom of the shallow well or if it's suspended! Maybe it's a deep well and the casing is broke? My water tastes great but I have lost presuure for a little while on two occasions when I drew ALOT of water when it's been dry.
Gregg
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Newer locating equipment can use energized line without direct connection or inject a signal and can show deths to the tenth of an inch but I am not knocking past methods, had a friends dad "witch" out a place where a well digger drilled on my dad's property and it has a great water supply to this day so both sides of that too?
Hope you find your well, just a fish tape could tell you a lot. Dave when you say the pipe looks like it goes straight up that sounds like the fitting used at the well called a pitiless adapter, the stem points up the pipe and all the piping down hangs on that fitting. At least it sounds like that is what it could be!
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"Witching" or dowsing defintely works. I do alot of work for municipalities with very old infrastructure. Often the systems are so old that the current employees have no clue where lines are since there is no mapping and lines are abandoned and emergency repairs are made. Usually they have to call in some old codger that's been working for the city for 50 years and he pulls out a set of bent welding rods and finds the lines! Cool stuff.
Gregg