Outdoor Wood Furnace Info
Outdoor Furnaces - Manufacturers WITH EPA-Certified Models => Portage & Main => Topic started by: mtoll on February 02, 2014, 09:30:04 AM
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Im new to OWB. Have read all the good and bad reviews Just dont know if the CB Classic would be a better than a PM Gasser or CB Gasser. It looks like the gassers do not use as much wood. But have there issues with electronics. Any advice would help. I live in southern In and if I use a CB classic I have to use a 6048 because of EPA regs. The CB Classic would be over kill but dont know if that's a bad thing.
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I've run both Central Boilers CL6048 and currently the E2400. Both great units, no problems with either. Greatly depends on how you want to burn. Gasser prefers more seasoned wood and smaller diameters but burns about 40% less wood. Gasser is about $2,500 or so more, which gets paid back in wood savings and labor in putting up wood. If comparing with other models, be sure to compare apples to apples...i.e. firebox size and water jacket gallons.
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What made you change to the E2400, how long have you used wood burners? I guess the CB is about as good as they come, I have a CB dealer and PM dealer near me. Thanks for your help
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Where abouts in Indiana? I'm in Knox County. I was on the bubble between a "legal" conventional and a law required gasser. I really didn't want a gasser. PM me if you really really really want conventional that is less than 350,000 BTUs.
I ended up with a legal conventional and turns out I'm not oversized. Post your proposed load on here and we can tell if it will be too much. You can oversize some, but you can do too much. I'm at 3,000 actual Sft, plans to add 800 more Sft, domestic water, and hot tub. With my terrible insulation I'm sized right and super happy I was able to legally get a conventional in Indiana!
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I live Gibson county out in the country near Princeton. I have a pole barn style house 6in walls 14in in ceiling thought it was insulated good enough but my propane usage was near 300 gal last 5 weeks. I would love to use a CB 5036 think it would be the right size but was told its not legal had to go to the 6048. I think that a 6048 is over kill. where did you get your unit ? Where I live my closet neighbor is 1/2 mile away. Do you have something for sale?
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My house is about 3100 sq ft
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PM sent. Nothing for sale. Just some insight on Indiana law I've covered before on other posts.
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mtoll, I only have 2,300 sq ft so am well oversized. Rarely fill much over half full unless -20 below for easy 24 hour burns in the 5648 Classic and also in the 2400Eclassic. Getting older so sold Classic to neighbor so I could burn less wood with Eclassic. I like the larger door of these models over the 5036 size too. More convenient loading.
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Boilerman, did we forget true stack exhaust temps and credibility of tests! or simple and available controls.
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mtoll, I only have 2,300 sq ft so am well oversized. Rarely fill much over half full unless -20 below for easy 24 hour burns in the 5648 Classic and also in the 2400Eclassic. Getting older so sold Classic to neighbor so I could burn less wood with Eclassic. I like the larger door of these models over the 5036 size too. More convenient loading.
I would've guess that being oversized would be even worse with a gasser. What is the BTU "rating" on the E2400?
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BTU rating on the E2400 is 186,000 8 hr burn 125,000 BTU for 12 hr burn
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Do you know what their peak 1-hour is? I think this is what most manufacturers use. This is also the threshold measurement for most of the EPA Phase II State Law language.
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I wouldnt get to caught up in the numbers games...
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No, not getting into numbers games. The 1 hour peak BTU output is how Indiana measures if the unit is considered an industrial unit or residential. That threshold is 350,000. It is basically the standard unit of measure, even though the actual number is crap. They just have to go from something. I actually like the theory behind how central lists their numbers, but the 8 and 12 times don't hold water to the letter of the law. I was just trying to see how oversized he would be with those 2 units since they really don't give square foot ratings either.
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No, not getting into numbers games. The 1 hour peak BTU output is how Indiana measures if the unit is considered an industrial unit or residential. That threshold is 350,000. It is basically the standard unit of measure, even though the actual number is crap. They just have to go from something. I actually like the theory behind how central lists their numbers, but the 8 and 12 times don't hold water to the letter of the law. I was just trying to see how oversized he would be with those 2 units since they really don't give square foot ratings either.
I know but I just meant all rating are usually exaggerated. But your right in regard to laws
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Im new to OWB. Have read all the good and bad reviews Just dont know if the CB Classic would be a better than a PM Gasser or CB Gasser. It looks like the gassers do not use as much wood. But have there issues with electronics. Any advice would help. I live in southern In and if I use a CB classic I have to use a 6048 because of EPA regs. The CB Classic would be over kill but dont know if that's a bad thing.
I'm having a hard time understanding why EPA would want an OWB owner to use an oversized unit, my thinking is, if it is oversized, it would have a heck more idling time opposed to having correct size OWB where it will work a bit harder, burning cleaner. I'm new to this forum, but not to OWB operating. In the past few days here, I have been picking up a lot of useful info, It makes perfect sense to have a OWB work a little harder at times than to have it idling most of the time. I'm referring to the latter part of my comment about how EPA is thinking what is right size OWB for us to use when come to conventional burners.
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The stipulation is that you can own a conventional stove if it is sized over 350,000 BTU. In the language, this is considered an "industrial" size that no homeowner would ever need. In an industrial application, theoretically, there are no residents to be bothered by the particulates in the smoke.
And here is where the guvment looking out for our own good runs smack dab into that little problem known as "unintended consequences." What happens is homeowners, like me, don't want a gassification unit for various reasons. Price, finiky, and just flat out don't want to be friggin told what we can and cannot buy and use on our own private property!! >:( So, we "oversize" our stove to get above that threshold and get a conventional stove.
Yet another example of guvment intrusion. If they would just mind their own beezwax and let the free market work itself out, we'd all be better off!
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The stipulation is that you can own a conventional stove if it is sized over 350,000 BTU. In the language, this is considered an "industrial" size that no homeowner would ever need. In an industrial application, theoretically, there are no residents to be bothered by the particulates in the smoke.
And here is where the guvment looking out for our own good runs smack dab into that little problem known as "unintended consequences." What happens is homeowners, like me, don't want a gassification unit for various reasons. Price, finiky, and just flat out don't want to be friggin told what we can and cannot buy and use on our own private property!! >:( So, we "oversize" our stove to get above that threshold and get a conventional stove.
Yet another example of guvment intrusion. If they would just mind their own beezwax and let the free market work itself out, we'd all be better off!
Skip the like button where the heck is the I LOVE IT button
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In hopes of benefitting all other Indiana residents wanting to know what the "rules" are for outdoor woodburning furnaces in our state, here are the direct links to Article 4. Burning Regulations the Indiana Department of Environmental Management (IDEM) has posted on their website regarding "Outdoor Hydronic Heaters":
LINK: IDEM Webpage Discussing Out Door Hydronic Heaters (Click Here) (http://www.in.gov/idem/airquality/2558.htm)
LINK: Indiana's Article 4: Burning Regulations (Click Here to Download .pdf file) (http://www.in.gov/legislative/iac/T03260/A00040.PDF)
LINK: IDEM "Fact Sheet" on Outdoor Hydronic Heaters (Click Here to Download .pdf file) (http://www.in.gov/idem/files/factsheet_outdoor_hydronic_heater_rule.pdf)
For those that might have trouble downloading and/or viewing the .pdf files, here is an exact copy of the text for "Rule 3" sections 326 IAC 4-3-1 through 326 IAC 4-3-6 :
"Rule 3. Outdoor Hydronic Heaters
326 IAC 4-3-1 Applicability
Authority: IC 13-14-8-7; IC 13-17-1-1; IC 13-17-3-4
Affected: IC 13-17-1-3; IC 13-17-3
Sec. 1. (a) Except as provided in subsection (b), this rule applies to any manufacturer, supplier, distributor, or person that:
(1) distributes or sells;
(2) markets;
(3) installs;
(4) operates; or
(5) owns;
an outdoor hydronic heater in Indiana.
(b) Sections 3 and 6 of this rule do not apply to the following:
(1) An outdoor hydronic heater that:
(A) is or has been owned by a person for his or her own personal use; and
(B) is distributed or sold within three (3) years of the effective date of this rule to another for his or her own personal
use.
For purposes of this subdivision, "personal use" means the use of an outdoor hydronic heater by an individual solely for
residential space or domestic water heating, and not to service a commercial or institutional establishment.
(2) An outdoor hydronic heater available for sale in an Indiana dealer's inventory before the effective date of this rule.
(3) Homemade units.
(4) An outdoor hydronic heater where the manufacturer has demonstrated that the unit is designed for a thermal output of
three hundred fifty thousand (350,000) British thermal units per hour (Btu/hr) or more.
(Air Pollution Control Division; 326 IAC 4-3-1; filed Apr 18, 2011, 11:27 a.m.: 20110518-IR-326050332FRA)
326 IAC 4-3-2 Definitions
Authority: IC 13-14-8-7; IC 13-17-1-1; IC 13-17-3-4
Affected: IC 13-17-1-3; IC 13-17-3
Sec 2. The following definitions apply throughout this rule:
Indiana Administrative Code Page 11
BURNING REGULATIONS
(1) "Clean wood" means untreated wood that has no paint, stains, coatings, glues, or any chemical treatment.
(2) "Distribute or sell" means to:
(A) distribute;
(B) sell;
(C) advertise for sale;
(D) offer for sale;
(E) lease;
(F) ship;
(G) deliver for shipment;
(H) release for shipment; or
(I) receive and deliver, or offer to deliver.
The term does not include the distribution or sale by a manufacturer of an outdoor hydronic heater that is installed outside
of Indiana.
(3) "Homemade unit" means an outdoor hydronic heater built by a person for the builder's personal use. The term does not
include installation kits.
(4) "Manufacturer" means any person who constructs or imports into the United States an outdoor hydronic heater.
(5) "Outdoor hydronic heater" means a fuel burning device:
(A) designed to burn wood or other approved renewable solid fuels;
(B) that is intended for outdoor installation or installation in structures not normally occupied by humans; and
(C) that heats building space or water, or both, by the distribution, typically through pipes, of a fluid heated in the
device, typically water or a water and antifreeze mixture.
(6) "Start-up period" means the time period beginning with flame stability after first charge of wood fuel and lasts no longer
than two (2) hours. The term includes only initial start-up where no previous wood coal bed exists and does not include
refueling.
(Air Pollution Control Division; 326 IAC 4-3-2; filed Apr 18, 2011, 11:27 a.m.: 20110518-IR-326050332FRA)
326 IAC 4-3-3 Emission limit for outdoor hydronic heaters installed after the effective date of this rule (<-- Sloppy's Note: This section DOES NOT Apply to "commercial size units" with a demonstrated thermal output of 350,000 BTU/hour or more)
Authority: IC 13-14-8-7; IC 13-17-1-1; IC 13-17-3-4
Affected: IC 13-17-1-3; IC 13-17-3
Sec. 3. After the effective date of this rule, except as provided in section 1(b) of this rule, no person shall distribute or sell
or install an outdoor hydronic heater unless:
(1) it has been qualified through U.S. EPA's voluntary outdoor hydronic heater program to meet the Phase 2 particulate
matter emission limit of thirty-two hundredths (0.32) pounds per million British thermal units (lb/MMBtu) heat output, with
no individual test run exceeding eighteen (18) grams per hour; and
(2) a U.S. EPA white tag is affixed to the unit in a readily visible or accessible location. The white tag signifies that the unit
meets the Phase 2 emission limit for U.S. EPA's voluntary outdoor hydronic heater program.
(Air Pollution Control Division; 326 IAC 4-3-3; filed Apr 18, 2011, 11:27 a.m.: 20110518-IR-326050332FRA)
326 IAC 4-3-4 General requirements for existing outdoor hydronic heaters
Authority: IC 13-14-8-7; IC 13-17-1-1; IC 13-17-3-4
Affected: IC 13-17-1-3; IC 13-17-3
Sec. 4. (a) After November 30, 2011, all outdoor hydronic heaters that have not been qualified to meet the Phase 2 emission
limit in section 3 of this rule must have a permanent stack extending five (5) feet higher than the peak of the roof of any occupied
building:
(1) located within one hundred fifty (150) feet of the unit; and
(2) not located on the same property on which the heater is installed.
(b) The maximum stack height required under this rule is twenty-two (22) feet above the ground. (Air Pollution Control
Indiana Administrative Code Page 12
BURNING REGULATIONS
(Air Pollution Control Division; 326 IAC 4-3-4; filed Apr 18, 2011, 11:27 a.m.: 20110518-IR-326050332FRA)
326 IAC 4-3-5 Operating standards
Authority: IC 13-14-8-7; IC 13-17-1-1; IC 13-17-3-4
Affected: IC 13-17-1-3; IC 13-17-3
Sec. 5. (a) No person shall operate an outdoor hydronic heater from May 1 through September 30 if the unit is located less
than three hundred (300) feet away from an occupied building not located on the same property on which the heater is installed,
unless the outdoor hydronic heater has been qualified to meet the Phase 2 emission limit in section 3 of this rule.
(b) A person shall burn only clean wood or other approved renewable solid fuel in an outdoor hydronic heater.
(c) No person shall burn any of the following items in an outdoor hydronic heater:
(1) Any wood that does not meet the definition of clean wood.
(2) Garbage.
(3) Tires.
(4) Lawn clippings or yard waste.
(5) Materials containing plastic.
(6) Materials containing rubber.
(7) Waste petroleum products.
(8) Paints and paint thinners.
(9) Chemicals.
(10) Coal.
(11) Glossy or colored papers.
(12) Construction and demolition debris.
(13) Plywood.
(14) Particleboard.
(15) Manure.
(16) Animal remains.
(17) Asphalt products.
(d) Home heating oil, natural gas, or other fuels recommended by the manufacturer may be used as a starter or supplemental
fuel for dual-fired outdoor hydronic heaters.
(e) No person shall cause or allow the emission of a smoke plume from an outdoor hydronic heater to exceed an average of
twenty percent (20%) opacity, a measure of the amount of light obscured by particulate pollution, for six (6) consecutive minutes
in any one (1) hour period. Upon initial firing of the unit where no wood coal bed exists, visible emissions may not exceed forty
percent (40%) opacity for twenty (20) consecutive minutes during the start-up period. Measurements of opacity shall be conducted
in accordance with 40 CFR 60, Appendix A, Method 9* by a representative of the commissioner.
(f) Outdoor hydronic heaters must comply with all applicable:
(1) state and federal laws; and
(2) local ordinances.
*This document is incorporated by reference and is available from the Government Printing Office, 732 North Capitol
Avenue NW, Washington, D.C. 20401 or is available for review and copying at the Indiana Department of Environmental
Management, Office of Air Quality, Indiana Government Center North, Tenth Floor, 100 North Senate Avenue, Indianapolis,
Indiana 46204.
(Air Pollution Control Division; 326 IAC 4-3-5; filed Apr 18, 2011, 11:27 a.m.: 20110518-IR-326050332FRA)
326 IAC 4-3-6 Notice to buyers (<-- Sloppy's Note: This section DOES NOT Apply to "commercial size units" with a demonstrated thermal output of 350,000 BTU/hour or more)
Authority: IC 13-14-8-7; IC 13-17-1-1; IC 13-17-3-4
Affected: IC 13-17-1-3; IC 13-17-3
Sec. 6. (a) After the effective date of this rule, no person shall distribute or sell, or install, any outdoor hydronic heater unless
the seller or dealer provides the buyer or lessee with a copy of this rule.
Indiana Administrative Code Page 13
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(b) The buyer or lessee shall sign a notice at the time of purchase or lease that includes the following:
(1) A statement acknowledging receipt of the rule, as follows: "I, (buyer or lessee's name), have been provided a copy of 326
IAC 4-3 (Outdoor Hydronic Heater Indiana Air Pollution Control Board rule) from (seller or dealer's name) at the time of
my purchase or lease.".
(2) The name, address, and telephone number of both the seller or dealer and the buyer or lessee.
(3) The address of the location where the outdoor hydronic heater will be installed.
(4) The make and model of the outdoor hydronic heater.
(c) Within seven (7) days of making delivery of the outdoor hydronic heater into the possession of the buyer or lessee, the
seller or dealer shall mail or otherwise provide a copy of the signed notice to the department.
(Air Pollution Control Division; 326 IAC 4-3-6; filed Apr 18, 2011, 11:27 a.m.: 20110518-IR-326050332FRA)"
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Where is the like button
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Look at 326 IAC 4-3-5 Operating Standards # 10
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Look at 326 IAC 4-3-5 Operating Standards # 10
Did you see 15 and 16?
Why you even want to burn sh*t is beyond me, I do know of a place that processes mainly beef, they use their OWB as an incinerator.
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Look at 326 IAC 4-3-5 Operating Standards # 10
I was wondering if anyone would "see" that mtoll. 8) Technically, you cannot burn coal in your "outdoor hydronic heater" in Indiana. ??? :(
The messed up thing is that we have no less than 20 active coal mines in Indiana and the largest percentage of electricity in Indiana comes from coal-burning power plants! :o
"We're from the government.... we're he to help." ::)
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AAAAH the infinite wisdom of our government. 20 active coal mines in Indiana and you can't burn it in your OWB but here in Maine we have no coal but the most forested state in continental US and we can use a Non EPA OWB as long as it burns only coal and must have an EPA stove to burn wood. Does this not seem to you guys that they are stealing our LIBERTIES by controlling the fuel we use and prohibiting the use of the fuel we have in our back yard.
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dryed dung has been burnt for a long long time by cold people all over the world :thumbup:
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I've burned it in our chip boiler!
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AAAAH the infinite wisdom of our government. 20 active coal mines in Indiana and you can't burn it in your OWB but here in Maine we have no coal but the most forested state in continental US and we can use a Non EPA OWB as long as it burns only coal and must have an EPA stove to burn wood. Does this not seem to you guys that they are stealing our LIBERTIES by controlling the fuel we use and prohibiting the use of the fuel we have in our back yard.
:bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:.........
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dryed dung has been burnt for a long long time by cold people all over the world :thumbup:
Yes it has, if you have no other choice, certainly not the premium option.
How do you get it dry enough? Most of the time it's already breaking down before its getting dry at least in our pastures especially if they have any grass to eat.
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I have 6 horses guess Ill not have to cut wood anymore, coal and manure look out neighbors
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I have 6 horses guess Ill not have to cut wood anymore, coal and manure look out neighbors
Nice! I'm burning coal in mine. They can kiss my you know what. Besides, there is no real enforcement in that law. I did a TON of digging on the code that Mr. Snood posted. There was a public hearing that was held some time in 2011 or 2012 where the EPA "heard" from people on the subject. Much like they are going to have in Boston this year. Anyway, one of the "anti" comments was "how are you going to enforce this law? There is no penalty clause." The EPA basically responded "we can't." There is no penalty clause, there is no fine, no confiscation, nothing. They can't do anything about it. There is no "stove patrol." The only way anyone is going to come out to your place is if a neighbor files a complaint of some kind.
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Would someone in indiana please run coal, manure, couple tires, and dead animal remains through their OWB? :o
We Hoosiers need to know how much of creosote buildup problem there will be and if we need to brush *hit out of the Optimizer heat exchanger tubes. >:D LOLOLOL
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OH BOY!
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There is no penalty clause, there is no fine, no confiscation, nothing. They can't do anything about it. There is no "stove patrol." The only way anyone is going to come out to your place is if a neighbor files a complaint of some kind.
I am NOT legal counsel but CBJ is correct: EPA cannot enforce anything because the EPA Phase II program is voluntary.
The Catch?: By making the EPA Phase II Compliance a voluntary program, EPA is empowering the 50 individual states (this is almost NEVER the case in the United States but EPA has done so with a strategy in mind). The individual states have the power to adopt the EPA's Phase II program as part of state law. Indiana has done this very thing.
While the "rules" are dictated by IDEM, the carry with them the power of enforcement through Indiana law. IDEM adopted Rule 3 which basically assures compliance to the "voluntary" requirements of the EPA Phase II program.
Enforcement actions can occur through IC 13-17-3 Chapter 3. Powers and Duties Concerning Air Pollution Control subsection 13-17-3-3 AND IC 13-30-3 Chapter 3. Investigation of Violations; Administrative Proceedings and Orders subsection 13-30-3-11 Orders of Commissioner:
IC 13-17-3-3 Enforcement
Sec. 3. Air pollution control laws may be enforced under IC 13-14-2-6 or IC 13-30-3 Indiana Code 13-14-2-6
IC 13-30-3-11 Orders of commissioner
Sec. 11. An order of the commissioner under this chapter may do any of the following:
(1) Include a direction to cease and desist from violations of the following:
(A) Environmental management laws.
(B) Air pollution control laws.
(C) Water pollution control laws.
(D) A rule adopted by the board.
(E) A rule adopted by the underground storage tank financial assurance board created by IC 13-23-11-1.
(2) Impose monetary penalties in accordance with the following:
(A) Environmental management laws.
(B) Air pollution control laws.
(C) Water pollution control laws.
(3) Mandate corrective action, including corrective action to be taken beyond the boundaries of the area owned or controlled by the person to whom the order is directed, to alleviate the violation.
(4) Revoke a permit or condition or modify the terms of a permit.
Given that authority, the Commissioner may proceed to court action (if necessary) through IC 13-14-2 Chapter 2. Powers of Department subsection IC 13-14-2-6
IC 13-14-2-6 Court actions by commissioner
Sec. 6. Except as provided in IC 13-14-6, the commissioner may proceed in court, by appropriate action, to:
(1) enforce any final order of the commissioner or the board;
(2) collect any penalties or fees;
(3) procure or secure compliance with this title or any other law that the department has the duty or power to enforce;
(4) procure compliance with any standard or rule of the board;
(5) enforce a restrictive covenant (as defined in IC 13-11-2-193.5) in accordance with the terms of the covenant if the covenant is:
(A) executed before July 1, 2009;
(B) approved by the commissioner; and
(C) created in connection with any:
(i) remediation;
(ii) closure;
(iii) cleanup;
(iv) corrective action; or
(v) determination exercising enforcement discretion or of no further action being required;
approved by the department under this title; or
(6) enforce a restrictive covenant (as defined in IC 13-11-2-193.5) in accordance with the terms of the covenant if the covenant is:
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(A) executed after June 30, 2009; and
(B) created in connection with any of the following approved by the department under this title:
(i) A remediation.
(ii) A closure.
(iii) A cleanup.
(iv) A corrective action.
(v) A determination exercising enforcement discretion or of no further action being required.
In short, IDEM can impose significant financial penalties and other legal action if they wanted to. Highly doubt they ever would but.... the power of law is there if they ever chose to use it.
Everyone can do as they wish.... but I want to make sure that it is understood that potential consequences do exist for burning coal (and other materials) in an OWB in Indiana. ;)
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Hey guys and gals, Sloppy_Snood is right on this, if you were to cause a real issue in your neighborhood, believe me the right commissioner or director can make your life hell, a far better approach in my opinion is to try to talk some sense into these college educated regulators and uppity neighbors. How many of us will take the time to get to know our neighbors before a complaint is made to our regulators? My suggestion is to take a nice saturday afternoon, grab a rack of good beer, go knock on your neighbors door, offer him a beer and ask him to look at your system and talk to each other about the pro's and con's of it, who knows he may become one of those guys or gals that you would rather have in the foxhole with you instead of the guy turning you in.
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Wish there were more units rated for indoor use. Common sense just doesn't cut it anymore.
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Wish there were more units rated for indoor use. Common sense just doesn't cut it anymore.
I do not understand.... why would one want to put an outdoor wood burning boiler inside a building? I thought the whole idea was to keep the mess and chance of fire outside of the building structure. :-\ Just trying to understand why you desire to have more inside use rated units. Thanks. :thumbup:
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Wish there were more units rated for indoor use. Common sense just doesn't cut it anymore.
I do not understand.... why would one want to put an outdoor wood burning boiler inside a building? I thought the whole idea was to keep the mess and chance of fire outside of the building structure. :-\ Just trying to understand why you desire to have more inside use rated units. Thanks. :thumbup:
Only because the law pertains to Outdoor hydronic heaters. Just a loophole i guess. I am sure it wouldnt matter anyway because they are just taking small bites and eventually you wont be able to burn anything for heat.
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The ordinance in my township states that wood fired furnaces may only be operated inside the building which they are heating. No person shall install, use or maintain an outdoor wood fired furnace. I am currently heating with a forced air indoor wood furnace in my basement. I have tried to argue that a gasification outdoor wood hydronic heater would smoke less, stink less, and burn much cleaner than my current furnace. No one in the town was educated on the topic or was willing to take the time to understand the differences. That being said I have made up my mind that I am going to buy a P&M Optimizer 250 and install it. (Just need to save up a few more pennies) I have talked to my neighbors and explained it to them and they don't have any issues. I guess if something comes up this might be one of the times it is easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.
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Where the heck do you live, are they a bunch of tyrannical nitwits, can they not read or do some research themselves, sounds like it's time for them to go, perhaps you should work within their own system to get them out of office, Run against them in the next local election!
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I should say they are uneducated on gasification and EPA certified wood burners in general. Even worse they are stuck on the stereotypes that everyone uses them as incinerators and will burn whatever gives off heat.
As far as running, I would have to get a group of guys together and take over the whole show. One man simply wouldn't be enough. But, all hope isn't lost, I recently purchased 30 acres of woods in the next town over that has no restrictions on OWBs. I plan on building out there in the next 3-5 years, maybe less if they put up too big of a fit when I install the OWB at my current house.
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It's called voting with your feet and wallet, you should remind them that is the reason our founding fathers referred to this country as THESE UNITED STATES!!!!!!!
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Heee Hawww Slim JIm,,RAck of good cold beer,,,maybe we should go to "their" meetings with that......them college professers.....