Outdoor Wood Furnace Info
Outdoor Furnaces - Manufacturers WITH EPA-Certified Models => Central Boiler => Topic started by: PMo on February 09, 2014, 05:45:42 AM
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SO... when I load the boiler... I fill the thing pretty full. Sometimes all the way to the top. Usually, after around 12 hours... its is burned down to ash or mostly ash. What is the theory on this. Am I wasting wood by doing this? I am going to play with putting less in, but usually I have to be gone for long periods of time and have not wanted to chance it going out.
I seem to be going through lots of wood and wonder if this is the culprit.
Heating a 3200 ft house... a 3 bay garage (kept at 40 degrees) and hot water for the house.
thanks all
PMo
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I should wait for Boilerman to respond, I think I will!!!!
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I had the same problem last week I was using poplar Ive since cut some seasoned oak and it burns longer, I don't know which type of boiler you have but i have to clean the damper plate surface about once a week because mine will get a little crud under it and let more air get to the fire box causing the wood to smolder (burn more than it should) :)
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SO... when I load the boiler... I fill the thing pretty full. Sometimes all the way to the top. Usually, after around 12 hours... its is burned down to ash or mostly ash. What is the theory on this. Am I wasting wood by doing this? I am going to play with putting less in, but usually I have to be gone for long periods of time and have not wanted to chance it going out.
I seem to be going through lots of wood and wonder if this is the culprit.
Heating a 3200 ft house... a 3 bay garage (kept at 40 degrees) and hot water for the house.
thanks all
PMo
Man that's a big house I'm at 2400 sq ft heating domestic water and house heat forced air I stuff mine pretty full because I'm gone 12 hours during the week also I can usually get 14-16 but my house is smaller It's been cold I think you are doing well not sure if you are all hardwood or mixed all hardwood would help. I don't think it makes a big difference on full it is on mine anyway
What I think makes a difference is how it's stacked inside the firebox I think the tighter it is their is some bridging that happens and helps slow the burning process. IMO
I'm not sure my stove is just a baby compared to your 3200 that's a lot of wood if you are filling yours tight
Jack
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PMo, In my experience I like to put enough wood in so that when I come out for the next "feeding time" the firebox is burned down to mostly coals and 3-4 portions of well burned/charred up logs remaining. In some conditions, that means filling it full to the top, while during warmer conditions only filling half full. Remember, it only works as hard and burns as much wood as it has to, replacing the btu's back into the water that you draw out for your heat load. The amount I put in varies on outdoor temps and conditions for that period. You kind of get a feel for it after awhile. You don't want to burn completely out and lose your coal bed or you'll struggle getting your next load going and it won't gasify correctly without re-establishing the bed to burn down through. It sounds like you have a pretty good heat load right now with the extreme cold temps this winter. Your btu demand sounds high. You might try loading some larger logs on the top of your load to extend your burn time. Different wood varieties and moisture content can all affect your burn times and output. You may want to experiment there as well.
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I could have sworn we just had a discussion on another thread about the E-2400 and your 24 hour burn times? I thought so.
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First off Im heating a 2600sf well insulted house plus my domestic water. I load my stove every evening pretty much all the way but not tight to prevent bridging. Im burning all harwoods that been seasoned atleast 8 months. Usually my firestar controller says ive had a burn time around 8 hours when I reload every 24 hours. The only time I reload more than once a day is when we get a wind over 30 mph.
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That seems like a lot of wood for a small home that's well insulated, you might try loading a bit less and adding more often.
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Put six logs all under 8 inches in mine last night at 7 pm went out at 645 this morning with large coals and embers it was mid 20s last night 2400 sq ft radiant / baseboard with Domestic hot water. Am I missing something lol btw 73,in the house with the bedroom windows open yup I'm happy...
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You probable live in South Carolina with a low temp of 50 at night!! Everyone system is different wood is different,house,etc.just to keep my CB guys happy my neighbor has a pm 250 new this year looked at mine many times while I was loading it and told me it's so hard to clean those little tubes he's selling it and getting a CB 1450 like mine,can't make this up just facts.I sure like to keep track of mine online when I'm away like 30 hrs most of the time 14-16 hrs in this super cold winter.temps to be down to 11 Thursday
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Randy just remember you came to this forum on cb line I didn't come looking for you to talk about my furnace !Just read and absorb what you want but us CB guys know we already have the best furnace
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Actually I live in northern maine
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Funny how some people believe anything they are told, how many of those CB guys have ever installed a stack temp gauge to check on the efficiency of their own boiler as you have Randy, all that money to spend on controls that you can check on from away but nobody ever talks about stack temps from that single pass heat exchanger. What do you do when you are gone for 16 hours and after 12 hours you get an alert telling you the temp in your boiler is down, rush home? what real good did it do?
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Funny how some people believe anything they are told, how many of those CB guys have ever installed a stack temp gauge to check on the efficiency of their own boiler as you have Randy, all that money to spend on controls that you can check on from away but nobody ever talks about stack temps from that single pass heat exchanger. What do you do when you are gone for 16 hours and after 12 hours you get an alert telling you the temp in your boiler is down, rush home? what real good did it do?
I really don't care about stack temps, all I care about is I'm not dishing out $5100.00/yr to the oil man and at the same time I keep my house at 70 degrees as opposed to the 65 when burning oil. I never bought mine for the bells and whistles, it's that CB was closer to me; 25 minute drive down I-89. Roger
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Roger, I simply was responding to the comment about the tubes in the 250 made by 5050, when slurrs are thrown out there they will be countered, I have heard far to many lies from CB and their followers and it sure seems that we are their target, perhaps they are worried, the tubes and reaction chamber on the 250 I personally have cleaned while it sits on my show trailer while I stand on a stepladder, in front of many potential customers at a show in less than 8 minutes, how much time does it take to poke out all those holes in the intake of the CB, every boiler has it's quirks and we all believe we made the right choice, we did, we burn wood, The fact that P+M consistently gets targeted by the CB sheeple is I guess a sign that we are doing pretty well don't you think! Which dealer did you buy from, I'm hoping not the one in Colebrook NH
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I just said he came to the CB part of this forum to tell us about his pm,who cares your happy with it fine comment on that part of forum not to tell us how great you think yours is!
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Read what you you posted Am I MISSING SOMETHING THATS WHERE YOU STATED THE CONFRONTATION,I didn't start it! I'm happy couldn't be happier don't care about what you think about yours pm I would be trying to see if there was something better out there,judging by what my neighbor goes Through your looking to see if there is better! Only facts
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Really, perhaps I'm missing something, I just went back over his post and I don't think he mentioned in his post what he has for a boiler or cut down your CB in any way, you sir are the guy who started the bashing, we are all here to help on any thread that we choose to go on, I personally have helped other CB owners and will continue to do so, do you own or operate this forum, what gives you the right to tell anybody where they can go, I also do not own or operate this forum and do not bash anyone who does not bash our product or tell them what they can read, YOU DID!, perhaps an apology is in order!
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Read it am I missing something that's a comment to start trouble read it
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Randy posted that read it!
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I will say it again am I missing something randy-1 posted it
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Also if you don't know what LOL means it stands for LAUGH OUT LOUD AFTER HE SAYS AM I MISSING SOMETHING NO APOLOGY HERE
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You may take it as starting trouble, did you ever stop to think that perhaps he is not understanding the whole story of why there is an issue with the CB and perhaps wants to help, AGAIN did he mention the name of his boiler in his post, did he Bash CB in any way, Again YOU sir are the one who spouted off with your bashing of our product and I would be willing to bet you've never even seen one, certainly if you have you don't understand it!
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Maybe you can't see randy-1 post? Read it
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OH yes I can see it and I can see yours, I'm all done with your little pissing contest, buy and run what you like but when you start bashing another mans unit, be prepared he may not lay down and take it, I know I won't!
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I'm done I m not bashing you came to CB forum to see what's up I'm missing something with the windows open lol is bashing to me good luck sounds like your busy with all that rep work
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wow looks like I got someones panties all bunched up. all i was doing was reading a post about how often people are having to feed their boilers and I thought i would state factually how much i fed mine, my simple goal was to help pass along info concerning the my particular experience, so if anyone had interest in knowing what other brands are using under certain heat loads they might find it usefull...
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Slim - Colebrook, NH is a 3 hour drive north for me, so no I did not purchase from the dealer in Colebrook. Although, there's a nice Shrine just to the south of Colebrook that every year my younger bro and I ride our motorcycles to for the blessing of the bikes. Plus, that's a beautiful spot up there. I purchased my CB 1400 from Wes Smith in Newport, NH. He's been very helpful to me and like I mentioned he's a short ride on I-89 for me. It's been a while since I was last on the P&M site (3 years ago) and they didn't have a dealer locator button on their site but CB did so it was easy to find them. Plus, my co-worker has a CB unit, albeit the conventional type. He absolutely loves it. As mentioned previously, I didn't buy mine looking at he efficiency numbers nor the stack numbers, all know is I was tired (could no longer afford) to pay out $5100.00/yr. You'll never hear me bash P&M, because I have never operated one. That would be dishonest of me. It would be dishonest of me if I bashed Kubota, Kioti, Ford, etc... tractors knowing i have never operated one. The next time you're around doing a show, give me a holler. I'd love to look at one of the P&M gassers. Roger
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Look for me at the Cornish NH fair again this year, Wes used to do that show but has not been there for a few years, is he OK, he used to have a full fleet of brindles, I almost bought one from him but the lift capacity was not heavy enough, tell him I said Hi if you see him.
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Cornish Fair, Thanks. I'll keep that in mind. Wes is doing great. Like a lot of OWB salesman, he's busy selling his product. Roger
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Thats good he used to be the #1 guy in the northeast, not sure now, there's a new guy in Ct that I think overtook him.
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Funny how some people believe anything they are told, how many of those CB guys have ever installed a stack temp gauge to check on the efficiency of their own boiler as you have Randy, all that money to spend on controls that you can check on from away but nobody ever talks about stack temps from that single pass heat exchanger. What do you do when you are gone for 16 hours and after 12 hours you get an alert telling you the temp in your boiler is down, rush home? what real good did it do?
I really don't care about stack temps, all I care about is I'm not dishing out $5100.00/yr to the oil man and at the same time I keep my house at 70 degrees as opposed to the 65 when burning oil. I never bought mine for the bells and whistles, it's that CB was closer to me; 25 minute drive down I-89. Roger
Where is there a cb dealer off of 89?
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Claremont
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Claremont
Oh ok..If its the same guy, I think he sold Aqua-therm's until the epa phases kicked in.. I knew there was a dealer out that way..Didn't know about CB
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He may have at one time but all I've ever seen him sell was CB and he sold a lot of them.
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I guess he's selling a lot of the CB outdoor pellet boilers. But with the short supply of pellets this year due to the cold and long winter, I'm glad I burn wood. Roger
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I guess he's selling a lot of the CB outdoor pellet boilers. But with the short supply of pellets this year due to the cold and long winter, I'm glad I burn wood. Roger
Yeah I'm with ya on that…But funny I stop in at this certain store from time to time..On my way home from work on thurs I stopped there to buy a steak and beer..I was shocked to see they had a few bags of wood pellets, considering no one has them..
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We have the CB 3200 and heat 100 gals of water and 6000 sf....
it goes thru about 1 full load in 24 hours in 10-20 degree weather.
Though I burn primarily locust & oak. If i burn softer woods they disappear quicker.