Outdoor Wood Furnace Info
All-Purpose OWF Discussions => General Outdoor Furnace Discussion => Topic started by: hondaracer2oo4 on February 20, 2014, 08:24:18 PM
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I would like to hear from some people that have burned in a conventional and then moved to a gasser in relation to how much less wood they go through now. Also what stove you burned in before and now.
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Good system piping also plays a role. A zoned system would show the benefits of a gasser better than the single loop brochure method.
I don't think its fair to compare all gassers, cuz there are some conventionals that make some gassers look like a tank on a campfire with gravity feed.
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Lots of variables here
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I was looking at a gasser but that's a bit of a jump if I dont have to have an epa stove
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As a general rule a good gasser will burn 30- 45% less wood but it also needs to be run properly, conventionals are much more forgiving.
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As a general rule a good gasser will burn 30- 45% less wood but it also needs to be run properly, conventionals are much more forgiving.
That's the thing slim, I've seen a LOT of folks get darn near same efficiency out of a well designed conventional because they didn't take proper care of wood, or perhaps had bridging issues and never learned from them, let tubed stay to dirty...
Darn epa
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Seems the conventionals just have proven track records and not everyone has the gassing control and design down pat yet. I believe with. The new regs, we might see lambda controls and larger volume of water to bring up efficiency rates. Lambda is about the only way to control the entire burn process, and for what some already charge for their boilers , they should already be included. There are a few that have retrofitted some of their own home brew lambda controls, with Bosch oxygen sensors , variable fan or damper, and programmable radio shack electronic DIY kits.
You might see two piece design and built in primary secondary so the boiler never sees water below range, lots of options for the bean counters to figure out. Just can't wait for the next president, and closing of about 7 major govt agencies. It will be the only way to turn around quickly.....
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There used to be a song back when I was young, MEET THE NEW BOSS SAME AS THE OLD BOSS
You sure are optimistic Sprinter, I truly am sorry for what my generation has allowed these bufoons to do to THESE UNITED STATES
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I haven't done that test of gasser vs. standard. But if I could, I would. I live in town. Spent the last week at the in-laws. They have well insulated ranch with a hardy boiler. It is sooooo easy compared to a my gasser. We even cut down a couple live pine trees that my M in Law didn't like and just started putting some in with the split wood. That dang door on the hardy is too small:)
I believe from this point forward on this thread the initial question of gasser vs. standard boiler is lost.
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There used to be a song back when I was young, MEET THE NEW BOSS SAME AS THE OLD BOSS
You sure are optimistic Sprinter, I truly am sorry for what my generation has allowed these bufoons to do to THESE UNITED STATES
I don't think I would make a blanket statement like that. The country is still 85-90% red! it's just those very irritating small blue spots that love to spread their misery on everyone else. They aren't happy unless everyone is as miserable and as whinney as they are.
Reminds me of the recent Duck Dynasty fiasco, a very small number of nut jobs got their panties all bunched up over words, someone's opinion or statement. I'm glad it was fixed without some BS apology to please some morons (to stupid to turn the channel or not read the article) hurt feeeeewwwings. It's amazing how riled up some get about other peoples biz. No wonder soo many flee the city to get away from idiocy. Can you tell I'm a real sensitive person myself. More like John Wayne attitude.
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Yes to all that but you didn't address the statement. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. If the right wing really stood for something more that we can see out of the likes of John BONER, John McCain, and Mitt the nitwit then possibly we could start to swing the pendulum in the other direction but the GOP will never allow someone of real integrity to take that step, there is way to much money to be made for them to allow the likes of a Rand Paul!
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WOW well said SlimJim !!
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Just like the silencing of Ron Paul. How many votes did he get that the GOP didn't count, or wouldn't announce? Another problem is that many people have given up and just try to choose between the lesser of "TWO" evils.
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They say that if you don't vote for one of two parties, your vote will be lost. But if enough of us vote Paul like people, it will make a difference.
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Here is where we went wrong in this country in my opinion, long winded and I'm sorry for it but it starts with a bit of history. My mother in law is now 86 years old, she is 100% German, born in Wiesbaden and until she met my father in law and moved here as a young woman, she and her family were registered Nazi's that wholeheartedly supported Hitler, her explanation for this is that the man took a 3'rd world country and turned it into a world power in a few short years, all of a sudden they had food,money and a much more desirable life, they at that point trusted their leaders, when she finally found out the real costs associated with Hitlers success she cried and could not believe what her country and it's leaders had done. My father in law( God Rest his soul) I sure do miss him, He was an old time Democrat and we used to have brutal arguments about politics at the kitchen table, pounding our fists on the table and the whole deal, this would upset the whole household but we respected one another's opinions enough that when we were done we could stand up and give each other a hug. My father in law met my mother in law because he was there fighting against the Hitler cronies and thank God he helped create my wonderful wife, he deserved his opinion and he would stand for it until the day he passed on, We loved to argue Politics and if he saw this country today I believe he would make his opinions known to all. the whole point of all this rambling is to say that if you bury your heads in the sand and don't talk to one another, nothing will ever get solved, talk to your neighbors, friends and family about the direction the country is heading, you will gain lots of respect for one another and possibly solve some problems yourself, That is a libertarian way of doing things and it works, If we had not had those brutal discussions then neither of us would have gained that mutual respect that we have to this day.
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Great discussion. :thumbup: I like everything said here. But, I believe more people would run for office if the main stream media wouldn't look for something/anything in your past they can and will to make you look really bad. The media by admission is 94% liberal voting, so they'll do anything in their power to keep the likes of someone of their own ilk in power. They'll delve into your background as far back as to middle school/high school. You may have done something when you were in your in teens that looking back you wonder what the heck you were thinking but the snakes in the news will make it a huge deal. The problem with this is, they have access to millions of people via the airwaves/internet to spread their propaganda. The average hard working American does not have that access so their voice is not heard. Enough for a Saturday morning. Got work to do. Roger
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You guys ever notice how hard it is to argue with the truth??
That's why I love our fellow Kentucky an Rand Paul, he is about as level headed as it gets when it comes to a politician.
You all ever heard of Thomas Massey? He's another congressman who lives 15 minutes from me, he has a incredibly nice house that he built all on his own. It's all off grid with a nice big wood boiler system in it as well, all radiant!
All of his electrical comes from his solar system, he did all of that himself too! In the center of his main living area there is a 20 ft circle of wood planks that all meet in the center at the point literally the size of a pencil lead, he had cut all those boards and u would not believe how they fit.
Point being, the guy us crazy smart, but he still has the ability to work with his own hands and I think that reflects in his judgment. He and Rand are always traveling together down here dropping into local breakfast gatherings or hole in the wall burger joints to chat with the folks.
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THAT IS THE ONLY WAY WE WILL SAVE THIS NATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I guess I'm also part of the silent majority! Just hold on until 2016 guys and Scotty Walker will save us all! He's the governor of Packerland and he's all business!
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I guess I'm also part of the silent majority! Just hold on until 2016 guys and Scotty Walker will save us all! He's the governor of Packerland and he's all business!
If he had to so much as stand in the corner for hitting somebody with a spitball the lame stream media will tear him a new one. While liberal candidates can have relatives that supported the nazi party and that will never come up.
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If he had to so much as stand in the corner for hitting somebody with a spitball the lame stream media will tear him a new one. While liberal candidates can have relatives that supported the nazi party and that will never come up.
What's the deal with that? We have the exact same problems north of the border.( at least in Ontario) Our Liberals continuously screw up costing the taxpayer, have run many businesses out of the province yet at voting time get put back in. :bash:
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Blind majority, Crow. It's all I can think of. Noone can think anymore. Just a bunch of Jim Jones feeding the kool aid to them, but killing them slowly so they don't feel it as much. People just can't see the manipulation or choose not to see it. It's all over the World not just the States and Canada. It is easier to follow words (lies) than think about what is being said.
Polosi said it best "pass this law so we can see what it says" . Don't look over the cliff to see if you need a parachute, jump first and decide on the way down. Isn't that easier than going back and preparing for the jump properly?
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Blind majority, Crow. It's all I can think of. Noone can think anymore. Just a bunch of Jim Jones feeding the kool aid to them, but killing them slowly so they don't feel it as much. People just can't see the manipulation or choose not to see it. It's all over the World not just the States and Canada. It is easier to follow words (lies) than think about what is being said.
Polosi said it best "pass this law so we can see what it says" . Don't look over the cliff to see if you need a parachute, jump first and decide on the way down. Isn't that easier than going back and preparing for the jump properly?
If the media wasn't as far to the left as it gets they would a poured it on her so thick she'd been stepping down the next week
But oh its ok, she's cool
Just like hillary and the whole, "oh its a response to a YouTube video" over benghazi.. them dang idiots wouldn't know YouTube if it slapped them in the face. Meanwhile they were ramming stakes and broken pieces of wood up our country men's ass while our leaders tell us a load of crap.
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Blind majority, Crow. It's all I can think of. Noone can think anymore. Just a bunch of Jim Jones feeding the kool aid to them, but killing them slowly so they don't feel it as much. People just can't see the manipulation or choose not to see it. It's all over the World not just the States and Canada. It is easier to follow words (lies) than think about what is being said.
Polosi said it best "pass this law so we can see what it says" . Don't look over the cliff to see if you need a parachute, jump first and decide on the way down. Isn't that easier than going back and preparing for the jump properly?
If the media wasn't as far to the left as it gets they would a poured it on her so thick she'd been stepping down the next week
But oh its ok, she's cool
Just like hillary and the whole, "oh its a response to a YouTube video" over benghazi.. them dang idiots wouldn't know YouTube if it slapped them in the face. Meanwhile they were ramming stakes and broken pieces of wood up our country men's ass while our leaders tell us a load of crap.
"IF THE MEDIA WASN'T AS FAR TO THE LEFT" There lies the biggest problem!! The lefties only report what benefits the lefties. If a person does not have access to an unbiased media source how would they know what is true or not.
Sorry Hondaracer, we kind of got of your topic,OK wayyy of topic.
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On an interesting side note, I think the lefties have more power than we realize. My laptop is now having issues since posting the previous message. Hummmm?
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And mysteriously am always booted off fox news?!?! No problems anywhere else!?!?
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And mysteriously am always booted off fox news?!?! No problems anywhere else!?!?
fox must have rif raf firewall :thumbup:
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Lol it's all good crow. I enjoy the political talk too so it's not all for not.
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we see about 40-50% less wood in the gasification compared to the older models.
However you are going to need you wood in fireplace form and it needs to be seasoned and dry.
I believe for most of the EPA approved models this is going to be true.
The older boiler if I could lift, roll or push it in that it would eat it up.