Outdoor Wood Furnace Info
All-Purpose OWF Discussions => General Outdoor Furnace Discussion => Topic started by: jreimer on February 24, 2014, 11:14:17 AM
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Ok, after many years and several different OWB's, I'm going to say what is on my mind regarding water jacketed wood burning for everyone else to hear and reflect on over a cold one tonight, or before buying an OWB.
It is what it is, and it is not clean and neat. Never has been, never will be. It is not clean like LP, Natural Gas or electricity. Accept it. Live with it. Deal with it.
Some stoves are cleaner and better designed than others, but NONE of them meet the definition and expectation of clean and neat according to the average suburbanite of today.
And that is ok! The only issue with some people on this forum and definitely with some dealers and manufacturers, is that they are not managing people's expectations correctly. They ALL gather creosote, drip creosote water occasionally, require a dirty, stinky cleanout routine, smoke sometimes and fail when we depend on them the most. Just like every other man made creation.
Who is happy when they buy a new car from a dealer and the dealer tells them they will get 40 mpg and then they only get 25 mpg? Nobody. They will all be mad at their car and dealer. An experienced driver and dealer knows the car will only get 25 mpg, but a buyer has it in their minds that they should be getting 40 mpg and thus is disappointed and angry.
This goes for maintenance on an OWB as well. Firebrick, rope gaskets, nozzles, pumps, fan blowers etc. are all wear items! We need to clearly call a spade a spade and know that they all wear out and need to be replaced just like the tires and oil on your car!
Again, that is ok! Just be aware of this and manage your expectations!
Water jacketed fireboxes will ALWAYS be dirty and covered in creosote. This is a fact we cannot escape or pretend it won't exist. Because we don't understand the laws of physics and chemistry doesn't mean they don't apply to us. Some weeks my firebox and tubes are cleaner than other weeks. Why? I don't exactly know. I accept the fact that they are dirty and they need to be cleaned. I sleep well at night, knowing that this is a fact of life, physics and chemistry and that I didn't get screwed by the dealer.
I am happy with my P&M Optimizer 250 and I know it has issues and wear items. I am also happy with my Chevy, Ford, Dodge and Honda. They all have their own issues and wear items. But I have come to accept that.
If you don't believe me or like what I said, I'm ok with that too, safe in the knowledge that either you'll come around to your own understanding some day or forever be angry and frustrated with your stove...
And now if you will excuse me, I need to get in contact with my dealer because it's time to replace some wear items.
And I am ok with that. Because I know the rest of you will be doing the same...
Feel free to comment below, as I know you will. :)
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I agree..... good post.
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Very well said ...
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Agreed!
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How about this for a thought; how much time does it take to replace the enegery that you have used.
Wood - Assuming you only cut mature trees 30 maybe 50 years trees and are replaced; but don't ge me wrong must of us are burning dead tress, strom damaged, etc.; stuff that would generally go unused and be left to rot and decompose
Petroleum - First assuming its made from dead dinosaurs (would have to clone and reproduce in a safe environment - so they dont eat us Jurassic Park sytle); then they die and ferment and compressed for what 10,000 years or so.
...just saying it will be easier to replace trees, than dinosaurs
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Maintenance is a concern with everything. Wood burning is a time consuming project but so are other household chores.
Consider how much time your wife devotes to preparing your meals every day. From reading fliers for sales or coupons, getting in the car, driving to the store or several stores in most cases, time walking the aisles, loading the groceries, driving home, unloading them and putting them away. Planning the meal, preparing the meal, setting the table, cleaning the dishes and on and on. Now add in the cost of a set of kitchen cabinets to store the food, stove, dishwasher etc. Everyday.
Now consider your dirty clothing, washer, dryer, cloths line, soap, hydro, whatever. The costs and time spent adds up quickly too. Then there is cleaning the whole house.
Now before you guys jump on me and say you do the cooking, cleaning whatever, I don't do any of that so the time I spent getting wood is a lot less than what she spends do those chores.
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ATTENTION SITE OWNER(S)
Where is the "like" button?
Great post!
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I am a newbie to this site but l am not a newbie to burning wood! I used to have an air to air wood furnace in my old house but it was a totaly differant animal compared to a water boiler. Great post because I do get it and understand everyone needs to be prepared because it is what it is!
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Couldn't agree more about the
"chore time". People think nothing of spending ten to fifteen minutes every day washing dishes and then think it is atime commitment for me to throw would in my boiler which takes maybe 5 minutes total including getting suited up
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Great post! Cantoo, you must have one hell of a wife :thumbup: lol although mine helps me gather firewood when I cut. She runs the splitter while I feed it.
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The way I look at it, I have less time in cutting wood than I would having to work to pay the gas bill. Of course this old house needs some more windows replaced and more insulation but I'd rather spend the money that would goto the gas company on those things, so again cutting wood is a better use of my time.
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Can't do much roofing in the winter. Especially this winter. I have a 20* rule on the roof, and that's depending on wind and sunshine. Might as well be cutting and loading wood. At least I am getting something accomplished.
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All good posts. I think I'm on to something when I say burning wood is a life style and a way of life. Most of US on here seem to share a lot of the same ideas and thoughts. Great website
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Although most everyone has some facet of "modern day convenience" they enjoy, I view the whole "outdoor wood-burning guys" as a group of people that gravitate towards being self-sustaining in their lives and activities. Not completely devoid of the ease of things in the modern world but simply ready to perform a fair level of activities as "I'd-rather-do-it-myselfers." In my studied opinion, this keeps the mind active and produces an environment conducive to thinking in order to solve problems and keep the mind sharp. All good attributes IMO. Cheers! (http://www.turkeyshoot.net/gobbleforum/images/smilies/beer_guys.gif) -Slopster 8)
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Great discussion - The way I see it, most people would rather take the easy way of doing things. I also get the feeling most of us on this site grew up on a family farm (small or large) where hard work was rewarded with food on the table, roof over our heads and a warm house in the winter. I can still hear my parents "hard work never killer anyone". I thank my parents for the work ethic. Too bad it took me to realize that fact after they were called home to heaven. Roger
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RUN! RUN FAR AWAY! WE HAVE A BUNCH OF REALISTS HERE!
You have shattered my expectation of everything working the way I want when I want. And self maintaining through an app on my phone. And the bill being taken care of for me because I am a victim. It has to be true, it was on the internet of a 100 year warranty and worry free heat.
I think you all are the greatest people on Earth. Hard working, self sufficient, smart, innovative, and most of all REAL!
Thank GOD for families with morals and integrity. As you can see, I am kindof a smart ass. But, it is refreshing to know values and common sense are still out there. And many show up here.
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Just too bad there aren't more out there with common sense. Good post oldchenowth!
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I don't do any "house" work, however I work away from home so when I am home I usually have house maintenance to do or her endless list of renovations to do. The deal that we have is that I do all the cutting, gathering, hauling, splitting and she does the stacking in the basement. Now that we have an owb she won't have to do any stacking. Last year she did go to the bush with me a few times just to cut rounds from the pile of logs and haul them home. She runs her own lawn care business and that keeps her busy.
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Good post.