Outdoor Wood Furnace Info
All-Purpose OWF Discussions => General Outdoor Furnace Discussion => Topic started by: diesel-dodge on March 30, 2014, 03:48:23 PM
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I have been wondering if there will be a chance of any boiler maker meeting the phase 2 emissions with a conventional or a non gasser. I try to keep wood dry but like this year I ran out of dry and have had to burn green. I have been wondering about the heiss boilers but not sure about the service being 3.5 hrs away from them,. I also have ridgewood about 3 hrs away. he has pretty decent prices on boilers. I live in the thumb of mich near port huron if anyone has a good suggestion.
jason
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Most likely not but anyway phase II is about to be a thing of the past. When these new regs go in even some phase II furnaces will not pass. Of course there is still time for them to change the proposed regs. Who knows the EPA may see the error of their ways and embrace wood burning altogether.
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The heatmor 200 CSS that Roxann has had so much trouble with is a non gasser EPA phase 2 boiler.
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Every manufacturer has their problem units, I think that there were 2 issues with the boiler at Roxanns place, first problem was control issues (electronics ) and the second was the dealer not training the customer about what to expect and how to correct the issues that will come up.
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I'm not real impressed with my current heatmor. I would like to get something better but not sure if I want a gasification boiler.
Jason
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Who knows the EPA may see the error of their ways and embrace wood burning altogether.
...and monkeys might fly out of my butt. :P :P :P
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:post: Just saying, that is a very remote possibility. I mean the Russians could attack us or something and it would suddenly become patriotic to be self sufficient. Or aliens could land and take over the EPA. But baring some such thing we are all screwed. :bag: :bag: lol
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What would be an half way efficient conventional boiler to look for.
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That's a loaded question, without bashing anybodies product I will say that you should compare all the units represented on this forum, I certainly would hope that you take a good look at our Portage and Main, B-L series brick lined sectional and available with shaker grates for coal burning as an option
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thanks slim I will give them a look.
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There are many good units here to look at, perhaps ours is not for you, Thank you for giving us the chance! Either way, Welcome aboard!!
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:post: Just saying, that is a very remote possibility. I mean the Russians could attack us or something and it would suddenly become patriotic to be self sufficient. Or aliens could land and take over the EPA. But baring some such thing we are all screwed. :bag: :bag: lol
Who says they haven't taken over the EPA, as well as the Supreme Court, the media and most of congress?
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Your right on that one. They act like they are out of this world.
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You have 2 issues, one is operation and the other is combustion.
My Propane Boiler vents in plastic and modulates, only burns at high efficiency when needed.
The closest you could get to that would be using pellets or chips.
With logs that is simply not possible, any system that allows wood to smolder can not meet emissions.
I have a friend with a CB and a small hotel, I think his puts out about 200,000 btu's and is run pretty much flat out, he has a 400,000 btu gas boiler that picks up the slack.
The local fire station has a much bigger CB with I am sure a much lower peak load and that does smoke, fortunately it is outside of town and the prevailing wind blows the other way.
I know of no way of burning wood efficiently at low temperatures, anybody who comes up with one could make their fortune.
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Is there any wood boiler that has second burn tubes in the top of the wood boiler like the small indoor wood stoves or does in not work in such a large fire box to burn the gasses like in a small indoor stove.
jason
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Wood gassifiers
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I guess I thought maybe there was something in the line up from a maker that would fit what I was thinking of other then a gasifiacation stove. a lumber yard that carries boilers and has a ml 30 portage and main. Im gonna run there Saturday and look at it. they also carrie wood master and crown royal boilers. guy told me wood master has a lifetime warrenty. guess ill see what they have.
jason
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If you want to see a BL series P&M I have one. I am between flint and Lansing.
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thanks merrel I might take you up on that. I might have some questions for you to if I end up going that direction
jason
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If you are thinking about buying a Heiss boiler or a gasifer, PLEASE do yourself a favor and contact me. I can only hope to save you all the problems I've had with both. Not to say 10,000 dollars for a gasifer I bought or 3,000 for the boiler
Thank you I hope I can save some ones hard earned money and make it known the quality of the units and the problems I had with this company!
Informer
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Informer, Welcome aboard, part of the beauty of this forum is to attempt to educate folks about different wood burning stuff, would you care to elaborate, perhaps one of us could help you get along with your unit.
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well I talked to informer on the phone today. I sounds like he really got a raw deal from heiss. Granted I haven't heard the side of the story from heiss. but I think im going to call and ask a few real good questions about service and most importantly warrenty. portage and main is gaining ground quick.
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Our goal is to bring the reputation of ALL OWB's up, larger market= more sales, lets solve the problems together!
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I agree slim. Informer seemed to be a honest guy but you would have to talk to him to get the whole story. But I also haven't talked to heiss to get their story which I will do and give them a chance to explain their side. I have heard of the boilers leaking from leakes where the copper was soldered together instead of running a complete piece of rolled soft copper. but I would still like to hear heiss side of the story. It honestly seems like a great concept maybe just needs refind I don't know.
jason
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Just got on this again. Sent a message to slimjim, might have been to his e- mail, I really don't know how to use this yet. I did read slims message'. "Our goal is to bring the reputation of ALL OWB's up larger market more sales.". I think someone's reputation isn't something that slim can bring up. I might be wrong " look at the boilers I bought" they alone prove I can be wrong. You build your own reputation buy having a good product, yes there can be problems with the product. That is when customer service comes in. After you admit you had a problem and take care of it. That is when "YOU" as a person and company start to build your reputation.
I don't really know what you were trying to say by larger market, more sales. The problems i incountered with my gasifer and the service i got could do nothing but leave a ------ taste in someones mouth. This could only benefit maybe a company like yours that has "BUILT" their reputation on a good product, good service, good customer relationships. I can't see this helping the Heiss industry at all.
I don't know if you give your phone number out, I will e-mail you mine, hope you have time to call.
Thank you
I will be on here again you can bet on that.
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Diesel-dodge
I know this isn't possible, but I would love to be at the shop or talk on a three way line with the both of you, when you ask him the questions you need too ask.
You don't have to make it your goal to bring up the reputation of a company and get caught up in "more sales" Just buy ONE that you will be satisfied with and will last you for years.
Happy hunting
Informer
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I am going to PM you both my cell number, I just got off the phone with Scott7M and Greg Steinacher , they are both direct competitors that are both willing to join forces with me to accomplish a goal, it is getting late here, would you both be up to a conversation in the AM, say 10AM
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I would concentrate on the quality of the unit, if you need to make a Warranty claim you already have problems.
Sometimes a Warranty can limit your options and in any event is only as good as the financial capacity of the organisation providing it.
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PM's sent with contact info!
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Im give you a ring about 10 slim.
jason
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I agree build quality is a big part and I also agree that warrenty is only as good as the company that issues it. There can be a lot of loophole in warrentys. Im trying to look at whatever I can in person to see what I like the best. If I had the money a garn really sounds kind of like a good idea but they are well out of my price range I think.
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Thank you!
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The boiler-----
The warranty! For sure there should be something, Heiss has messed me around from Thanksgiving of 2012 till March of 2014. The word "Warranty" has never been mentioned, about January of 2013 one of the owners finally made it out to look at the problem and told me they were going to replace it with a new one. I don't have time to write down the whole story from start to finish. Only thing I will say is at he age of 57 I learned a very big lesson about people. I have never encountered anyone like this man before. I have lost money before but can say I've never been taken for a "RIDE" like this before! My job now is to inform others of the quality of this product. Is there any refectory that can take 2000 degrees for twenty years and not burn out? If so they would us it comericaly and never have to shut down for repairs.
Going to stop here for now.
Thank you we need to make sure others with our same interests don't get taken advantage of.
Informer
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Informer, as I attempted to explain to you earlier tonight in our phone conversation, no boiler is perfect, most were started in a garage with a new idea, not all but most, just because you have a bad taste in your mouth from your experience, not everybody has had that experience, perhaps the company that you bought from are true terds and if that is so, I'm sorry and I will do everything in my power to help you, first we need to hear the story without the emotion displayed in our conversation earlier, I find for myself that sitting down and putting my thoughts on paper or type when i'm pissed helps to validate my claims, could we maybe try to work together to solve your issues with the company, if you would be so kind as to forward me the contact info for Heis I would be happy to call them in your behalf and let them know that we have several individuals that are willing to attempt to solve your and their problems, sometimes an outside party that has no vested interest in either side ( unbiased opinion ) can aid in benefiting all involved
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I think that is pretty awesome of you to do that slim. I tried to call them Friday and got no answer. But you prob can do a better job at it them me anyhow and know a lot more about boiler the I do. Maybe it will all work out.
jason
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Informer, the pictures you sent me were not so good, could you resend them to my e Mail, it is mainlycustomsawing@yahoo.com. Could you also include info on the boiler and contact info for the manufacturer. Thanks in advance.
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Heissheaters.com. heiss phone # 1-616-551-0176
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Slim do you think that the refractory will hold together over the years for a boiler like the heiss.
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I honestly have not had the time to go there yet, I think the way the cement is formed into the base as well as the thickness of it that it should last very well, it will crack as any refractory will eventually but it uses gravity to hold it in place and can be replaced or repaired very easily, I'm going to that site now, do you have any better pictures than were sent to me?
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Slim.
Sorry not smart enough to get pictures to your e-mail. Got message of you trying to help get this resolved. Work toward getting money back, gasifer listed for 12,000 they sold it to me for 9,000 took some off because I sold the 5000 model to a neighbor here and the rest because they were nice guys. I would not take a replacement if I have to use it and I don't want to be the person that sells it to someone. Good news when I get check, or should I say it clears the bank, I'll send you a thank you check I believe 2500.00 should be enough for your trouble.
Thanks again
Please don't feel bad if you strike out, he has a --- of a curve ball
Informer
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Nobody owes me anything, period. I have not had any time to follow up but I will as soon as I finish this job, I promise