Outdoor Wood Furnace Info
All-Purpose OWF Discussions => General Outdoor Furnace Discussion => Topic started by: Jwood on April 27, 2014, 01:21:47 PM
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Ok so here is some testing I did on 3 different corrosion inhibitors. This was completely unbiased I gave them all the same test to the elements water, snow and to speed up the process sprayed them with salt water throughout the day.
1-Transmission fluid
2-Amsoil MP-HD metal protector
3-Fluid Film
I did transmission fluid because I know that's what most people use, I had two cans of the Amsoil product and bought 2 cans of Fluid film because I heard about people using it on snow plows to keep them looking new for many seasons.
Amsoil is right around $8 a can, Fluid Film was 12-13 a can and can also be purchased in a gallon can, 5 gallon and I believe 55 gallon drum and can be sprayed through a gun.
Amsoil goes on and leave an orange wax type of residue but completely dries after time.
The Fluid film is different it goes on clear has no solvents in it and never dries. It is lanolin based and is supposed to leech into every pit crack or hard to get to area. Next I will post pics before and after.
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Amsoil product before
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Amsoil after
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Fluid Film before
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Fluid Film after
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I didn't do a before on the transmission fluid but we all know what bare steel with transmission fluid looks like and I used a sawzall blade ground clean just like the other steel. So here is after.
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The transmission fluid surprised me with how fast it washed off. Amsoil test piece is pretty obvious where I sprayed and did spray since you can see where I taped it before I sprayed and with the Fluid film I did the same thing. My thoughts are that Amsoil is great if you can make sure and have total coverage but the Fluid Film I think would be a superior corrosion protection for anywhere on a boiler cause as you can see in the pictures it must have leeches to the unprotected metal and even kept that from rusting for the most part. Fluid film can be used as a wax for a vehicle even so you can spray this anywhere on a boiler.
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I am the sales manager at auto dealership here in north central maine we have been selling and promoting fluid film for a few years now. I used it myself on my 07 GmC pickup,kubota tractor and impliments and whatever else around the house I want to protect against corrosion. This is my first year s a boiler owner and have yet to have warm enough weather to shut it down, but when I do it is my intention to give it a thorough bath in the stuff...
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We handle all kinds of fertilizer, most is more corrosive than salt being its salt based and has other goodies in it.
Whether it be Urea, 10-34-0 or 28% nitrogen Fluid Film hands down is the best thing we've found to fight corrosion.
It is expensive, but since it does work so well in the long run its cheap.
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Thanks JWood for taking the time to do this testing. :thumbup:
I have just shut down the BL for the season and was wondering what I would use. Since I have a gallon can of Fluid Film and a spray wand for the compressor it just makes my decision that much easier. ;)
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Hey my pleasure! That would be my choice to, and if there is anyone having corrosion issues anywhere on the outside of the stove I would be all about spraying it down with fluid film. Crow I agreed with everyone to use transmission fluid and only conducted these tests just in case there was something better. I couldnt believe the transmission fluid washed off as fast as it did, (my deck looked like a rainbow ) of course I know there wont be salt water in your fire box but I used that to just accelerate the test.
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One more thing I thought I read crow was something about spraying through a pump sprayer maybe check out thier site and make sure www.fluid-film.com (http://www.fluid-film.com)
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http://www.fluid-film.com/faq.html (http://www.fluid-film.com/faq.html)
Says to use an airless paint sprayer for the gallon containers.
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Thats awesome, can it be sprayed with a hand held bottle type sprayer, Thanks Jwood.
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I don't think so probably your typical Wagner paint sprayer though. The website sounded like you need good pressure to get it to atomize but I wouldn't be afraid to try spraying it through a spray bottle, its worth a shot it may be to thick though.
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We have a couple of gallons around, your average sprayer isn't going to atomize it that well.
Maybe a paint pot would work pretty well. Or a high quality hand sprayer like used to spray sealer on concrete.
Stuff is almost gell like, about as stiff as a real thick shampoo.
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I saw on EBay they sell kits that come with some sort of spray gun, something to look into. :thumbup:
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Here are the cans.
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I'm going to look today at Carquest!
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Let us know if they have it! We have carquest here as well.
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Will do, if they don't I would be willing to bet my Buddy Pete that runs the store will get it for me
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Oh ya I would think he should be able to!
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I would like to hear others testimonials on any of the products I do believe that transmission fluid works just fine in a firebox, but if fluid film can be sprayed on everything and is better then you can't really have too much protection on your owb investment.
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On a side note, while we've found Fluid Film beats anything hands down for corrosion protection, acetone and ATF mixed 50/50 is the best penetrating oil we've found. We've tried sea foam, PB Blaster, Free All, etc. The acetone/ATF beats em all. Mix some up and keep it in a squeeze bottle or pump can.
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Thanks mlappin I will definitely give that a try :thumbup:
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On a side note, while we've found Fluid Film beats anything hands down for corrosion protection, acetone and ATF mixed 50/50 is the best penetrating oil we've found. We've tried sea foam, PB Blaster, Free All, etc. The acetone/ATF beats em all. Mix some up and keep it in a squeeze bottle or pump can.
Try this and see if you (or anyone else) don't change your mind. ;)
LINK: Spray Shield by Steel Shield Technologies (Click Here) (http://www.steelshieldtech.com/mainpage/industrial-product-spray-shield.html)
Cheapest place to purchase is Watts Truck Center in Pennsylvania, U.S.A. 8)
LINK: $11.37 Spray Shield at Watts (Click Here) (http://www.wattstruckcenter.com/store/index.php?route=product/category&path=62_84_113)
Nothing, beats long-chain chloroparaffins for lubrication and metal surface protection.
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I've never heard of it sounds good if I see any ever I will grab some, I'm always willing to try new products.
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To all,
I use a generic cooking spray, Its cheap and does a good job. About $1.59 a can, if you use 4 cans its still cheap to use.
Greg Steinacher
618-401-0726
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To all,
I use a generic cooking spray, Its cheap and does a good job. About $1.59 a can, if you use 4 cans its still cheap to use.
Greg Steinacher
618-401-0726
Now that works as well to keep the snow off your satellite dish.
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Mlappin I just laughed envisioning you sitting there thinking what the heck can I do about my satellite getting clogged with snow ;D
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Mlappin I just laughed envisioning you sitting there thinking what the heck can I do about my satellite getting clogged with snow ;D
Nah, my brother in law used to have a satellite shop, you know the big ones, 6,7,8 footers. Dish Network and Direct TV killed that business so now he installs for Dish, he told me to spray the dish with Pam, it works, try it next winter and no slogging thru the snow to clean the dish off.
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Slimy,,, we are the distributor for fluid film in this area if u need a hand call me I'll hook u up
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I have it in spray can.gallon cans and bulk, bring your own container, i also have spray guns they look like an automotive type paint sprayer, we use them for spraying under carriages of automobiles and equipment.. It's good stuff... Not quite as good as the stuff big wood gave me but I assure u it's quality sh$$
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Slimy,,, we are the distributor for fluid film in this area if u need a hand call me I'll hook u up
So your a distributor of fluid film?
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So Randy are you going to fill us in on the stuff Big Wood gave you..... We want to know!
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Yes Scott7m we are,,, ? And no comment on big woods good stuff however like fluid film it's great for keeping the corrosion factor to a minimum... 8)
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Will this product work on the under side of mowers?
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I WOULD NOT WASTE THE STUFF BIG WOOD HAS ON A MOWER DECK, perhaps Randy's Fluid film!
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Why is Big woods secret sauce a mystery?
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I do not think it has been tested in all the red tape labs so therefor not allowed for sale in these United States.
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Hmmmm.......... My wheels are turning!
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SHINE on
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I here that fluid film is good stuff form the people i have talk to like it Good S---t Randy. We will be in
Essex Junction Vermont May 9th -10th come check us out. i am still old school i use oil and graphite
and then head down an old dirt road. Hey Randy is it all gone. It doesn't last long when you run Full Throttle does it.
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Again, BE CAREFUL!!!
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Where can a guy get graphite?
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Big wood.. No I still have about half of it left... Btw I have a sister and brother inlaw in vt. They just installed a new polar boiler Last fall. Maybe I can convince Melissa in a road trip and kill two birds I gotta mapquest it to see how far you will be from the family I'll be In touch
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I also am a Fluid Film addict. I use a Wagner Power Painter Plus. I did the outside of my owb a month ago and will do the inside if I ever get to shut it down.
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:thumbup: towilson
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Shut down on Sunday, cleaned out any remaining creosote and ash I could with the shop vac on Monday and oiled it down this morning before work with Fluid Film and undercoating gun. Everything looked good inside - no rust, refractory bricks in great shape and no hidden surprises. :)
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Awesome crow how did the application go? Did it spray on easy?
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Yep it did. Small compressor to power the gun and a nice mist sprayed all through the firebox, ash pan and heat exchanger. Another thing I like about using Fluid Film is it is supposed to be "eco friendly" so if some drips out of the stove it wouldn't be as bad as trans fluid mixed with fuel oil, especially since it is somewhat close to my well.
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Yes I believe its very eco friendly I thought I read its all lanolin based and that it comes from sheep's wool. I bet that makes Neal happy! ;D
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POOR NEIL, always getting picked on.
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He seems to enjoy it ???
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HUGS NEIL!
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Just went back through the thread, I don't think Neal is following the thread, perhaps we should PM him to pull him in, what do you think?
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Hey slim any word on other manufactures that will be at the Vermont show?
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Another use for Fluid Film, I think it works even better than Anti-Seize or Never Seize.
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Slim I think he should jump on this thread he must only follow threads that start with EPA hmmmmm.......... Maybe I should have called it EPA Corrosion Protection!
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Good to know mlappin!
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Maybe if Randy ever needs service I can get back up there and try some.
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Service? Nah I'm all good but we should do the door gaskets this summer I did notice towards the end of the season a lil leakage going on...
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should be able to just clean them up and adjust the doors Randy, I'll try to get up there soon!
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Well crapt I can do that slim lol...
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Oh hell I know you are very capable but I still will be getting up there soon for a Beer, I think I will be pulling my cap off the old ford after the Essex Jct. show and putting the camper back on, somehow I miss that old camper and it is getting to the season for it, kind of like an old worn out pair of jeans, keep an eye out for some good stickers will you, By the way Brian arrived last night, he says to say HI !
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Thanks slim, come on up anytime, your always welcome here, tell Brian I am still waiting for a hat and t shirt...
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I just had a few made up and they should be here today. I will send a set back with Big Wood if you aren't coming to the show!
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Not gonna make it to Vermont as it's the same day as our company annual open house/ customer Appreciation day . I'm bummed a little .
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will that "fluid film " run.. thru a garden, pump spray container
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I'm not sure? But would like to know as well.
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will that "fluid film " run.. thru a garden, pump spray container
Not sure, it's pretty thick but not quite a gel. If you had a quality sprayer like used to apply concrete sealer it might go thru that.
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Did anyone try the fluidfilm through a garden sprayer yet???
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e212/kommandokenny/P4170006_1.jpg)
OR, do I have to buy a spray gun and hook it up to my compressor.
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I haven't tried Mlappin thought it might be to thick but there's only one way to find out!
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Ok,,, I'm running into town to get a gallon now.
I'll let ya's know.
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Awesome I'm curious as well
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Was sold out at 57 binoot$.can]
Napa 25% off
Everybody must be monitoring this forum :o
Ordered one,, pick it up Monday.
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well it .......IS NOT going thru a pump sprayer...it is some where between e-vap milk and sweetn condense ......
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Crap won't go through a garden sprayer?
Don't have anything else.
Gonna cancel my gallon from napa maybe switch to the spray cans and buy a case.
Or go back to WD40 and put it on in May then again August.
Might be too much fuss over the rust thing.
If It's shut up good and fogged with something should be good enough.
Not livin on the Newfie coastline, with salt spray, coming off the ocean here.
Thanks for the heads up on the Fluid Film.
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the stuff smells like Cosmoline .... """"Chemically, cosmoline is a homogeneous mixture of oily and waxy long-chain, non-polar hydrocarbons. It is always brown in color, but can differ in viscosity and shear strength. Cosmoline melts at 113–125 °F (45–52 °C) and has a flash point of 365 °F (185 °C).
Its most common use is in the storage and preservation of some firearms, hand tools, machine tools and their tooling, and marine equipment. Entire vehicles can be preserved with cosmoline.""" >.......................i'm going to heat it up then spray it ...it should really get in the spaces ..then seal up good!
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It's oil squeezed out of wool I believe I read that's why its non toxic
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Non toxic is good .
Nice that something natural, is such a great product also.
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You may want to look into a Fluid Film spray kit. It comes with a gun, 3 spray bottles, several tips and a couple of 24"-30" wands. One of the wands has a tip that sprays thru the sides which is very useful for doing the heat exchange tubes. Complete coverage of the entire tube. As I recall the kit goes for about $65 and you would be all set to undercoat your vehicles as well.
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It's oil squeezed out of wool I believe I read that's why its non toxic
I found this > .......dam!!! I can still learns'me stuffs :) .......Crude lanolin constitutes about 5–25% of the weight of freshly shorn wool. The wool from one Merino sheep will produce about 250–300 ml of recoverable wool grease. Lanolin is extracted by washing the wool in hot water with a special wool scouring detergent to remove dirt, wool grease (crude lanolin), suint (sweat salts), and anything else stuck to the wool. The wool grease is continuously removed during this washing process by centrifugal separators, which concentrate it into a wax-like substance melting at approximately 38 °C (100 °F).
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It's oil squeezed out of wool I believe I read that's why its non toxic
I found this > .......dam!!! I can still learns'me stuffs :) .......Crude lanolin constitutes about 5–25% of the weight of freshly shorn wool. The wool from one Merino sheep will produce about 250–300 ml of recoverable wool grease. Lanolin is extracted by washing the wool in hot water with a special wool scouring detergent to remove dirt, wool grease (crude lanolin), suint (sweat salts), and anything else stuck to the wool. The wool grease is continuously removed during this washing process by centrifugal separators, which concentrate it into a wax-like substance melting at approximately 38 °C (100 °F).
:thumbup:
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You may want to look into a Fluid Film spray kit. It comes with a gun, 3 spray bottles, several tips and a couple of 24"-30" wands. One of the wands has a tip that sprays thru the sides which is very useful for doing the heat exchange tubes. Complete coverage of the entire tube. As I recall the kit goes for about $65 and you would be all set to undercoat your vehicles as well.
Good call,,, may work better and cheaper than the Wagner?
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Ayuh,.... This is 'bout what my sprayer looks like,...
Mine's got a 4' hose, insteada the short tube,....
(http://www.tcpglobal.com/SEM71110.jpg)
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If you have a siphon wand you can probably use that instead of dropping scratch on a gun
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Ayuh,.... This is 'bout what my sprayer looks like,...
Mine's got a 4' hose, insteada the short tube,....
(http://www.tcpglobal.com/SEM71110.jpg)
Just ordered the gun with bottle off ebay
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It's oil squeezed out of wool I believe I read that's why its non toxic
Tall rubber boots for catching the sheep ,,,
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It's oil squeezed out of wool I believe I read that's why its non toxic
Tall rubber boots for catching the sheep ,,,
Don't forget your Velcro gloves. ;)
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It's oil squeezed out of wool I believe I read that's why its non toxic
Tall rubber boots for catching the sheep ,,,
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Sheep farmers also wear button fly jeans so the sheep can't hear them coming!
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It's oil squeezed out of wool I believe I read that's why its non toxic
Tall rubber boots for catching the sheep ,,,
Don't forget your Velcro gloves. ;)
so the joke goes ...u where the tall rubber boots ....find a sheep ...point sheep over cliff..slip sheeps hind legs in boots ..AND THEN YOU TAKE YOUR.........lol!!!...I'll stop now :)O