Outdoor Wood Furnace Info
All-Purpose OWF Discussions => General Outdoor Furnace Discussion => Topic started by: yoderheating on September 24, 2014, 03:46:02 PM
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Well I've made my mind up, I'm not going to be a dealer much longer. I really can't see a future selling these new epa approved furnaces. I have yet to see one work as well as a conventional furnace and the prices are insane. Who in their right mind is going to pay $10,000+ for a furnace to only heat one home? It sure is a shame, I've done this for 7 or 8 years and built up a decent business. At least I can continue to share my experience on here with people looking for help.
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It really is a shame!
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Good luck, its a shame we have government stuck up our ----- .
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Sorry to hear your not going to stick with it, you do bring up a few good points.
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That's too bad Yoder. What do you plan on doing?
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I am sorry to hear that Yoder.
It is truly disgusting what this government is doing to business as a whole. What is equally disgusting is the ignorance of so many that feel they are some how owed a free ride.....food, health care, housing, heat, cell phone! Who is going to supply tax revenue when business's are regulated out of business?
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Well that stinks that your shutting down...Yeah 10K is hefty..But I look at it in other ways..If my outdoor boiler ever s**** the bed...Ill def will be spending the money for a new one..Have you ever thought of selling a different brand of owb?
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Right now there is my dad, brother and I all selling and installing Heat Master in the same location and we all stay busy. We don't see there being enough business for 3, I seriously doubt there will be enough for one but that will remain to be seen.
I don't know what other brand would be cheaper than what Heat Master has to offer. Maybe Empyre but its not much difference. Heating costs in the south are not what they are farther north so cost is really going to have an effect on sales going forward probably more than if I was located differently.
I'm in a lucky spot I guess, my wife's business is doing well so I'm not going to starve. I already spend at least a third of my time volunteering in different roles in the community. The rest of my time I guess I will work on expanding the farm.
As I said before I'm not going to starve, lose my house or be begging in the street. On the other hand I can't help being a bit angry as I watch the business I worked so hard on be destroyed by the epa. :bash:
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I don't think I'd get just out yet, as manufacturers get more experience with the gassers they will get better. Anybody remember the nightmares under the hoods of the mid to late 80's cars with all that pollution crap? I almost don't mind working on the wife's Jeep Liberty as it doesn't have 500 miles of vacuum hoses and 3 dozen solenoids like the old cars had.
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Yoder, We need to talk, Please DO NOT do that, do you have my phone #, if so give me a call, I'm not going to even try to get you to jump ship but I do have a true story to tell you that may change your mind, I'll PM you the # in case you don't have it, just give me a call!
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Sorry to see that you are closing down. I still think Heat Master has a great web site with a cut away of how the boiler works. It might take a couple of more years before the gassers are perfected to where the price might come a little more in line with the older models. Maybe Slim will get you started in a new line.
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NOT what I'm looking to do, he has a brand that he likes and a history with them, I simply wanted to explain my history in the industry and attempt to persuade him to stick it out!
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Sticking it out with the Heat Master sound like the way I would go if I were a dealer and see what the future brings. Closing down should be the last resort.
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Thanks guys and slim I will give you a ring. The bottom line is in my opinion Heat Master is the brand I would want to sell but there just isn't going to be enough work for 3 of us here any more. I'm not going to stay at it struggling along selling 10 or 20 units a year, its just too much work for too little money. Its better if my brother can consolidate everything, at least one of us can stay busy that way.
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Seeing these kinds of posts, and working in a coal-powered power plant in today's political climate makes me hate the EPA that much more. I wish the OWB manufacturers would add a "meat-rack" option to the boilers so they could say they weren't outdoor wood boilers, but barbecue smokers instead. That's what everyone thinks my homemade one looks like anyway. People could heat their house with their "barbecue smoker" and avoid the EPA. But, I'm sure it wouldn't take them long to outlaw barbecue smokers if that were the case. It's disgusting how much we as a country have allowed our government to control us.
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Amen bother, and there you have it. Control.
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We had a really nice Pork Tenderloin, sliced potatoes and carrots, smothered in real butter, wrapped up in tin foil that Danny cooked in the back of the P+M 250 last weekend at the Hippie fest we went to in Unity Maine, It was very tasty! Does that qualify us for a cooking appliance?
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I keep a hot dog stick hanging right next to my boiler... and a bag of marshmallows close by too. Hot dogs for dinner and s'mores for dessert. For some reason, I can never get the wife to join me though.
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Would that work in my 2840 Slim?
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What could go wrong!
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Sorry to hear anyone go out because of regulations, but before I'd do that, I'd consider sticking it out a while longer, things always have to get about so bad before getting better again in any subject. Everyone is scrambling to figure out what the future holds for the wood burning industry now or will be in the future, those that figure it out and hang in there will be the survivors in the end. Not everyone will survive the ordeal, but plenty will, wood has always been burned and will always be burned, just how the equipment that does the burning will change is all, not all regulation is bad, most but not all, time will determine which list this is on, and if the regulation will stand the test of time. Plenty of regulation has come and gone over the years, some is proven to not work, or science takes time to catch up with regulations, however you want to view it is up to you, but I always tend to want to hang in till the end of anything, you know, just to see who's there with me and how the whole deal turned out. Just a different opinion to ponder over.
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That stinks. Another example of over regulation by our governement. :bash:
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To be clear, my dad and brother are also selling furnaces locally and I think they are going to stick it out. My point was I don't see sales continuing at the current level where it will support all three of us.
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Yoder, what I would do is get lined up with Ridgewood and Burnrite that are located in Michigan. Both these small companies are working on gassers and will be a lower price then the big name guys. I would start small and see how it goes from there. When high brand names increase it causes people to settle for what the little companies have to offer. Just look at how popular Ridgewood has gotten .
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I'm very hesitant to go with a mild steel furnace, just a lot of risk in a gasser.