Outdoor Wood Furnace Info
All-Purpose OWF Discussions => General Outdoor Furnace Discussion => Topic started by: Bud Man on October 18, 2014, 10:09:25 AM
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Finished the install of my BL 2840 yesterday. Filled it with water and let the pumps run all night to get all the air out and check for any leaks. This morning my filter was filled with rust. I am thinking this rust came from the boiler. I cleaned the filter 6 hours ago and now I have discolored water but no actual rust in the filter. Do I need to drain the system and start over or should I not worry about the discoloration?
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I would flush til clear, but that is me.
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I would like some pictures as well as an E-Mail with your contact info, The factory WILL be notified, please flush it and start fresh with boiler treatment then water!
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Did the water come from a well as a possible source of rust? What kind of filter are you using? And yes I would do as slim says and drain and refill and keep doing it till clear and rust free.
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Slimjim sent me a text and we called and talked about this. WOW. What a great guy to go the extra mile for someone he has not met! P&M better take care of him!
He told me to drain and re-fill with boiler treatment and see what I had. The water going in is good, no rust or other problems. I will post again when I get re-filled.
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Yes he is a great guy!
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Bud Man, I got your E-Mail with your contact info and forwarded it to our office, This should not have happened, perhaps a friday or monday build? How close is your dealer? I will ask the office to reimburse him for an extra bottle of boiler treatment, please dump your water again and start with fresh boiler treatment then refill your boiler!
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What kind of filters are commonly used for OWB? Is it just a Y strainer?
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It's what is called a side stream filter, it's supposed to be installed with a bypass loop around it and it has a drop in cartridge.
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Hey Slim, could you include a link on where a side stream filter might be purchased?
Out of curiosity I did a search and came up with all kinds of info, but most that I found for sale were large commercial units.
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They are readily available at any supply house and we sell them at our office.
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I happen across this topic this afternoon about rust in the boiler. I've been running my new BL-2840 for the last two weeks, I thought now will be a good time to draw some water out to fill my water sample bottle & send to P&M for testing. I too see that my boiler water is coming out brown with some small brown flakes or specks. My house water runs through a whole house carbon water filter rated for 5 micron filtering, so I know the water was clear & clean at the time of fill, which I filled through the top port.
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Drained and re-filled with boiler treatment. The water is clear with a few specks of rust. I will drain and re-fill again as soon as I get some more boiler treatment.
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Oaky you are going to see some discoloration in the water, try draining out 4-5 gallons from the drain on the bottom and it will clear right up, I think Bud Mans never got flushed or sat around with no water and treatment for a while, do you have a filter on yours?
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Hi SlimJim, glad to have you back again. I have a 1 inch inline #20 mesh strainer, this size mesh will only capture larger particles in the water. I never did flush my new boiler when installed this fall. It sat empty since the time I picked it up this past March.
Maybe I should drain some water from the top port for my water sample that will be sent in for a test instead of the bottom port? I have a PH tester I use, the water sample from the boiler tested at 9.0.
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I would rather that you take it from the bottom, drain off about 5 gallons and then draw off the sample
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Slimjim, I let the fire go out in my BL-2840 yesterday since temps were in the 60's, I'll drain the discolored water along with the rust, today. As the BL is draining, is it alright to add water from the boiler cap where the water level gauge slides through, until the water becomes clear & no sign of rust, then completely drain, add boiler treatment & refill with water?
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Sounds like a good plan to me Oaky, let our office know if you need any more treatment, our factory has been informed, butts have been kicked, Sorry for the inconvenience!
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Thanks, good luck on your show out on the Island.
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Thanks Oaky, it's not a show though but instead A BIG INSTALL, our next show is in a couple of weeks at the TCI show in Hartford, Ct.
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Ok, my bad.
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Can moisture get trapped between the water jacket and an even coating of creosote if condensation occurs after filling a boiler, especially if the boiler is not fired up for a few days?
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I don't think there is anything that we can do to stop the moisture in any OWB short of making a totally dry firebox and it seems there is no manufacturer out there interested in building a product like that, it would add a lot of cost to manufacturing and I'm not sure the market would bear that cost, I think that we have done the next best thing and that is dry base, refractory cement lined and sectional, I sure would like to try a dry firebox though!
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Since I drained the boiler and added fresh water to it yesterday, would it be wise to start the fire right away. Right now, I don't have a fire going in it, I wanted to wait 'til weather get back in the 40's again.
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As long as you have your treatment added I would not get concerned!
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Thanks Slimjim, treatment was already been added yesterday.
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Slimjim, this might be a dumb question, it is normal for the boiler water to be somewhat blue in color after adding the P&M boiler treatment since it is blue itself. Other from that, I checked the boiler water this afternoon & it seems to be clear after all that flushing yesterday.
I sent you a PM.
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Why was I given yellow treatment, could somebody post a picture of the bottle of treatment that I should have?
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Let me check with Brian, I have never noticed a yellow tint in our treatment but perhaps they have changed vendors or mix for some reason, if I forget to answer your question then please remind me tomorrow night
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My original treatment was yellow but the new bottle I have for top up is blue.
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OK perhaps I missed something on the initial treatment, I never noticed, Thanks for bringing it to my attention guys.
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I guess I just want to have the correct treatment.
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I did as slim said. Drained, treated and refilled, drained and refilled with treatment. Pulled my sample yesterday and have a nice blue water sample. I do see a few specks in my filter but I'm not getting any more and everything is looking good. Thanks slim!