Outdoor Wood Furnace Info
All-Purpose OWF Discussions => General Outdoor Furnace Discussion => Topic started by: cartod on November 09, 2014, 06:39:04 AM
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I have to pose this question just one more time before I hook up my system. Is this going to work? Someone had mentioned that it will "starve my system" . What does that mean. I got a local OWB guy to look at it and he just wasn't that familiar with the indoor boiler system tying into the outdoor...Just looking for any observations please. You can see I'm tying the OWB in with the 80 plate heat exchanger right where the water enters the return on the Indoor system.
I guess my goal was that since the indoor boiler heats everything (hot water, radiant floors, furnace exchangers) I could use the OWB in the winter and when it's shut down in the summer the IWB takes over to just heat the hot water. Any and all suggestions again are welcome.
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I don't see why it won't work, I'm assuming that your wall hung boiler has it's own circ that comes on with a call for heat? I would have preferred that your return did not only go to the wall hung as now you will be sending very hot water through the wall hung and there really is no need to do that, A true primary secondary would have allowed you to take either system out of the loop and still be able to heat with the other system!
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I don't see why it won't work, I'm assuming that your wall hung boiler has it's own circ that comes on with a call for heat? I would have preferred that your return did not only go to the wall hung as now you will be sending very hot water through the wall hung and there really is no need to do that, A true primary secondary would have allowed you to take either system out of the loop and still be able to heat with the other system!
I think I see what you are saying. Can this be remedied easily to make it a true primary secondary system should I have problems?
The biggest problem I am seeing is that if I let the OWB go out, the indoor system will be heating the outdoors water throughout the plate exchanger. No?
If I am putting hot water into the return on the indoor exchanger won't that just keep it from firing up?
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A little off topic, but I do like you're basement, ours is semi unfinished but all the floors are sloped to one of three floor drains. Doesn't get wet very often but I still place everything on patio blocks. Also have both washers and dryer in the basement. I don't plan on repairing anymore wood floors because of water damage from a small leak that goes unnoticed for awhile.
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I would have tied the supply and return on the wall hung together and put a circ on the main loop then bring that line back to the heat exchanger, I just tried to post a drawing but it tells me the download file is full, perhaps somebody could fix that!
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I would have tied the supply and return on the wall hung together and put a circ on the main loop then bring that line back to the heat exchanger, I just tried to post a drawing but it tells me the download file is full, perhaps somebody could fix that!
Wow, that sounds like a brilliant solution that would be relatively easy to accomplish!
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In reality, that is the way we should be doing them all but it is more expensive, Parts and Labor
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I believe that is how you did mine isn't it slim? A primary/secondary loope...
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I think so Randy but that was a lot of boilers ago, My wife just got home from 5 days gone to Mass, I'm having trouble remembering her name and you want me to remember your install? ::)
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Your wife is Lisa right? Lol
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Ok, OWB is fired up as of yesterday. Cranked it up to 170 and was working beautifully until my plumber told me I can't pump water over 140 into my floors. So I set stove back down to 140 and it went out in the middle of the night. How do I keep it at 140*f? Smaller fire?
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HE NEEDS TO PUT IN A MIXING VALVE!!!!!!
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What slim jim said. Higher temps and concrete, not a good "mix". ::)
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How do you put fresh water into a closed system with a mixer valve? .....where does new water go ?
Also how hot of water can I pump into the concrete and what temp is ideal?
Am I going to be able to maintain the fire at 140* without it going out?
Thank you folks.
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hey pal, im a fairly new outdoor furnace guy as well,3 yrs,you need to get someone asap who can hook up your furnace the right way,if your heat guy didn't know u needed a mixn valve or that you should be running your furnace at 180 degrees,you need a knew guy,i went thru a view growing pains as well,and I am still playing with things making it run better each yr,my advice ,fly slim and a few of his buddies to your house (kiddn) but really get someone who hooked up a few already and it will save you a ton of grief...
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Thanks but I really don't like to fly, draw us a diagram of how it is setup!
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Thanks but I really don't like to fly, draw us a diagram of how it is setup!
Wha?? I love to fly, well actually I love the takeoffs and landings, you can keep the 7 or 8 hours between the two. Have flown international with AA, never again. Ponied up and flew with British Airways twice now, got upgraded to business the first time on the trip home, got upgraded to business the last time on the trip there. Business is the shizzle, better menu, better booze and most importantly seats that go flat into a bed.
Did a helicopter ride on Labor Day at the local festival, absolutely loved it, the wife hated it, to each they own. Was supposed to go skydiving last month, jacked back ended that idea.
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I'd probably enjoy flying as well if they would let me drive!
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Thanks for all of your help I think we got it all figured out. My plumber is awesome he has just never tied in a wood system. When I told him the water coming thru the OWB was 180*f he came right over and his first suggestion was a mixing valve but he figured out another way do it without all the expense. My hot water tank (also radiant heated)supplies the house with 130*f fresh water and he use that water and circulate it through the floors.
Worse case scenario the demand for hot water in the shower competes with the floor system which will be rare and since the OWB and the IWB are connected in series the IWB will kick on and hell with recovery.
I would like to thank everyone for there input and I'll let you know how it works out.
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Thanks but I really don't like to fly, draw us a diagram of how it is setup!
Wha?? I love to fly, well actually I love the takeoffs and landings, you can keep the 7 or 8 hours between the two. Have flown international with AA, never again. Ponied up and flew with British Airways twice now, got upgraded to business the first time on the trip home, got upgraded to business the last time on the trip there. Business is the shizzle, better menu, better booze and most importantly seats that go flat into a bed.
Did a helicopter ride on Labor Day at the local festival, absolutely loved it, the wife hated it, to each they own. Was supposed to go skydiving last month, jacked back ended that idea.
Here is a joke for ya,
Bob.
Ken and Edna
Ken and his wife Edna went to the state fair every year,
And every year Ken would say,
'Edna, I'd like to ride in that helicopter'
Edna always replied,
'I know Ken, but that helicopter ride is fifty bucks,
And fifty bucks is fifty bucks'
One year Ken and Edna went to the fair,
and Ken said,
'Edna, I'm 75 years old.
If I don't ride that helicopter, I might never get another chance'
To this, Edna replied,
"Ken that helicopter ride is fifty bucks, and fifty bucks is fifty bucks'
The pilot overheard the couple and said,
'Folks I'll make you a deal. I'll take the both of you for a ride. If you can stay quiet for the entire ride and don't say a word I won't charge you a penny!
But if you say one word it's fifty dollars.'
Ken and Edna agreed and up they went.
The pilot did all kinds of fancy maneuvers, but not a word was heard.
He did his daredevil tricks over and over again,
But still not a word...
When they landed, the pilot turned to Ken and said,
'By golly, I did everything I could to get you to yell out, but you didn't.
I'm impressed!'
Ken replied,
'Well, to tell you the truth,
I almost said something when Edna fell out,
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Thanks for the early AM laugh