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All-Purpose OWF Discussions => General Outdoor Furnace Discussion => Topic started by: DaveWertz on November 24, 2014, 11:09:38 PM
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Well I have posted about this before and gigantic natural gas powerplant being built by my house. Anyhow construction has been going on all yr across the street from me. This place is MASSIVE! Long story short Panda/Patriot bought a few houses already on my road, I would say out of 8 of us 4 have been bought and the rest refuse to leave. Well I have had it with the site of this and everything else that came with it!! I had a meeting today with the Project manager about it. In a nut shell Im that unhappy to come home anymore because of this reason. Now he totally agreed with me and is taking this up with the owners. He said the possibility of them buying me out is good but he cant say 100%. Now here is the question I have for you all. My house is fair marketed at around 128k, I have insurance policy out for 140k because that is what it would take to rebuild if something were to happen. Would you guys take anything less that the value or would you fight for more? I want to fight for more. I never wanted to leave this house so its an incoveniance on me and I look at it like I have to "rebuild" all over again. Do I have a fighting chance in hell to push for more due to the aggravation, stress, and all the other BS im being put threw during this ordeal...... I could go on and on!
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My suggestion would be, Don't push back to hard, they already have approval to go ahead with the project, you are only an inconvenience to them, they don't NEED your property and if they made you an offer, it would only be to keep you quiet, You will not like the fair market price or living there after the project is finished and they know it!
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Chances are they are going to offer you the fair market value. You have already told them you are unhappy going home, so there price might be well below.
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Also unfortunately you have to look at it in the eyes of a buyer, also
you probably couldn't sell it for much more than fair market. What are they going to do with the house..... Demo?
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Unfortunately I think you'll have to take what they offer, if you don't like living there the next person most likely won't either which lowers the value of your property. If you have deep pockets and willing to wait you could always take em to court.
Took me almost 2 months to get what I wanted for my truck when I was rear ended, of course comparing that to your house is apples and oranges.
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if u don't like staring at the plant ... a "new buyer" is going to hate it ...imo ...I would get what u can and run......look up> u can build what u want and make it right/the way u want it, a plus is u can plan for wood heat from the get go ...I'm on my 3rd house >built it myself (none of that contracting bs for me) >I'm the head carpenter and the laborer lol
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Well what they would be doing is renting the house to there workers as that is what they are doing with the other properties they have bought. My guess would be asking for 120% which in my eyes is a fair price. That would cover my expense for moving and closing on a new home. See I bought my house for 80k, its worth around 130k give or take. Yes thats a good bit of money BUT that is what I could afford and thats why I got the house so cheap from my grand dad. For me to buy another house that is descent I would need at least 140k from selling my home to cover the downpayment cost for the next home to get my mortgage close to what it is now. If I buy a home for 120k and I put 40k down I would be back to where I was. Now I have a 25ft shed (garage) that is not part of the property value, it is a 9k item. Do you think I should add cost of that in so I don't have to take it with me and pay someone to come and haul it for me? That would be a total loss if they dont buy it from me and or I have to pay someone to come and take it.... Tuff spot Im in here....!
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Check around and see what someone will move it for first might be worth moving?
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What did the other neighbors get for their house?
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Nobody really said what there getting. I know they must have got a pretty penny. My one neighbor just built there house not even 8yrs ago, they bitched and moaned for about a month and then they were gone. I assume they still owed a good bit of money? So assuming as fast as they left they got a good amount of money. The other neighbor litterally negotiated with Panda/Patriot to do renovations to the home so he could get more money. Dont ask how but it happened....
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Yes Dave a tough spot.
See what the offer is, but the most important issue for me would be to decide where you and your family will be in 5 years, and I don't mean physically, I mean emotionally. This type of thing can sour the milk in your teats. I have a friend that owned a peeler bar and he fought the local officials for years over the smoking area for his patrons, it consumed him night and day, it became too personal. That was all he could talk about, he lost friends over it. It was years he won't get back, all wasted.
Good luck,
Bob
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A realtor may be able to look up what they paid for the other properties. If you are looking for a new place anyway, I would ask your Realtor if they can look it up.
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Thats darmn good idea RSI. I have a few friends in the real estate game. Maybe I will get with them and see what they can do...
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Keep us posted
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Thats darmn good idea RSI. I have a few friends in the real estate game. Maybe I will get with them and see what they can do...
You can go to city or town hall as well to get all the info
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shop isn't in the value??? huuummm sell it off >as is where is >at least "they" will not get something for nothing
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You might consider having the property appraised, and go from there. Our property value had declined substantially from what it was worth a few years back, sold it anyway. But think hard about getting out while the getting is good, and don't be surprised if you wood fire gets put out once the gas plant gets in production, this happened locally with some people burning trash beside a lp gas company.
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I would guess they will give you slightly over market value. Probably no where near replacement value. You will not be able to sell it for more, no one else wants to look at the plant either. If they do, they will want it far less than market. It is only worth what someone is willing to pay. The plant knows this, they are, unfortunately, in control. Try to negotiate a little higher if you can, but I would not expect them to buckle to any demands. Their bread is already buttered, it goes up with or without you. They have deemed your property a nuisance lot before they broke ground. Not trying to be an ass or rude. I can only imagine what you must be feeling about your chosen investment for a homestead. And how easily someone else can come in and snap it completely away. Good luck with it, I hope it falls in your favor.
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Like old chenowth I wouldn't try pushing it to much.
Sadly your house has already been effected and the actual market value has already declined. This happens all the time when a state
plans routes for new roads and highways.
I live near Winston-Salem, N.C., the state surveyed and made drawings available for the beltway going around Winston aver (10) years ago.
Once they did this hundreds of home owners were stuck with their properties and their home values plumeted.
It's not fair but the Country, State, Municipality, railroad and power all rule their domain.
I've seen a city claim the soil under a large (BB&T Tower) in Raleigh, N.C. was condemed so they could install anchoring systems
for a retaining wall. The owner was CONCERNED these anchoring systems may interfear with their foundation.
The city of Raleigh didn't give a F____, the owner conceded and the city moved forward.
Not fair at all in any situation. I feel for you and hope you are able to walk away with enough money in had to satisfy you.
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Well after all the Project manager and I spoke about he came back to me today and said that Panda/Patriot does not plan to buy any more homes that are not under contract. One thing I dont get is that a few homes werent under contract so why were they purchased? Im sooooo fed up with this BS! I hate even going home anymore. You would think that this company being privatly owned would want to make residents happy with all this. There is a big law firm in my area that deals with the gas industry and problems they bring to residents. Im going to see what they say and hopefully I have a case to pursue. I gave them the oppertunity to buy me out so I could relocate and be happy again. I flat out told them that I will not give up until Im satisfied! It sucks resorting to this but when you push me I will push back even harder win or loss!
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Good luck Dave
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Yes good luck Dave I hope it all works out in your favor!
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In this case you have nothing to lose, I hope the best for you!!!
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Thanks fellas. Going to need all the luck I can get at this point... Until then Im going to try and smoke them out hahaha :thumbup: Im going to find some good green wood and let the Hardy rip.
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tire burning time ...at nite ...:)
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I should. Heck that would be less pollution to the air then they will be throwing off. After some small research living next to a powerplant, even know a gas fired plant is cleaner than coal or nuc that it still throws out ALLOT of pollution. It is guranteed that my house value will drop from a min of 3-7% right off the bat and thats being generous. A lawyer friend gave me a reccomandation to a good lawyer in the area that specializes in these cases because he thinks there is a good case here to be fought. Today the project manager contacted me again and is setting a meeting up with me and his boss. Can't wait to see what this is about!?
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I finally found out some good info with my neighbors. The lady who just moved in spilled some beans for me. She said the previous owners complained so much that panda-patriot bought them out. She said she would give me some info but I never seen nor heard from her again. Im guessing she wasn't suppose to tell me this much. See, her husband rents off panda because he works for them. Odd? Now I have friends in the real estate business and I had them look up the selling history of the house. She told me that Panda Patriot bought the house for 240k! They had it listed for 223k! Whats up with that????
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Wow that's crazy... I kinda know the feeling. They just redid all the electric power towers in my area they went from 100ft high to over 200 ft high really makes everything look like crap in a area were homes were 500,000 and up its going to be a real challenge when I'm looking to sell down the road I was looking forward to the money in my retirement
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sounds to me like.... the squeaky wheel gets the grease... >:D
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Yeah it sure sounds like they weren't going to buy properties unless you approach them to me. I hate to raise hell and bring attention to me but that's just what Im going to do. My girlfriend is from South Jersey and knows some "high profile" people. She is contacting her lawyer friend and seeing what we should do from here. I guess next week they will be bringing in choppers to thread the power lines from the power station to the power plant itself. That should be neat to see. Still an eye sore!
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That's exactly what I watched them do all last yr! The chopper was pretty cool
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Yeah it sure sounds like they weren't going to buy properties unless you approach them to me. I hate to raise hell and bring attention to me but that's just what Im going to do. My girlfriend is from South Jersey and knows some "high profile" people. She is contacting her lawyer friend and seeing what we should do from here. I guess next week they will be bringing in choppers to thread the power lines from the power station to the power plant itself. That should be neat to see. Still an eye sore!
:thumbup: >:D check on what are acceptable noise levels in your neighborhood... and start raising hell about all the sound !!...if u ain't got a small baby ...go borrow one...keep it up late the nite before... so there will be plenty of whaling/carrying on... as the loud chopper noise will do the rest >:D ..... time for some dark makeup on the girlfriend..near the eyes all the noise of her,the kid, ect will get the ball rolling ...her coming outsid holding the whaling kid >while staring up at the chopper with tears running the dark make up will help to + the photo's will look good in the newspaper/tv shots ...............u have to fight fire with fire with libtards......just sayin! good luck!! (http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k632/atvalaska/thCAXS6RP4.jpg)
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Yeah it sure sounds like they weren't going to buy properties unless you approach them to me. I hate to raise hell and bring attention to me but that's just what Im going to do. My girlfriend is from South Jersey and knows some "high profile" people. She is contacting her lawyer friend and seeing what we should do from here. I guess next week they will be bringing in choppers to thread the power lines from the power station to the power plant itself. That should be neat to see. Still an eye sore!
:thumbup: >:D check on what are acceptable noise levels in your neighborhood... and start raising hell about all the sound !!...if u ain't got a small baby ...go borrow one...keep it up late the nite before... so there will be plenty of whaling/carrying on... as the loud chopper noise will do the rest >:D ..... time for some dark makeup on the girlfriend..near the eyes all the noise of her,the kid, ect will get the ball rolling ...her coming outsid holding the whaling kid >while staring up at the chopper with tears running the dark make up will help to + the photo's will look good in the newspaper/tv shots ...............u have to fight fire with fire with libtards......just sayin! good luck!! (http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k632/atvalaska/thCAXS6RP4.jpg)
Oh wow sounds like something out of a movie, been watching to much tv atvalaska!?
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Yeah it sure sounds like they weren't going to buy properties unless you approach them to me. I hate to raise hell and bring attention to me but that's just what Im going to do. My girlfriend is from South Jersey and knows some "high profile" people. She is contacting her lawyer friend and seeing what we should do from here. I guess next week they will be bringing in choppers to thread the power lines from the power station to the power plant itself. That should be neat to see. Still an eye sore!
:thumbup: >:D check on what are acceptable noise levels in your neighborhood... and start raising hell about all the sound !!...if u ain't got a small baby ...go borrow one...keep it up late the nite before... so there will be plenty of whaling/carrying on... as the loud chopper noise will do the rest >:D ..... time for some dark makeup on the girlfriend..near the eyes all the noise of her,the kid, ect will get the ball rolling ...her coming outsid holding the whaling kid >while staring up at the chopper with tears running the dark make up will help to + the photo's will look good in the newspaper/tv shots ...............u have to fight fire with fire with libtards......just sayin! good luck!! (http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k632/atvalaska/thCAXS6RP4.jpg)
Oh wow sounds like something out of a movie, been watching to much tv atvalaska!?
Is John Rambo in this movie too? Holy moly...
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no ;) ..I just know what it takes to beat the lefty's/.gov/control freaks ... at their own game >:D its called normal thinking in these parts... :thumbup:
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Just remember that in a negation the first person to talk price is always the looser.
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Well I know for a fact that they do not want any type of hype brought to them via news, news paper ect. It has been brought to there attention last week that Im not asking for a hand out, Im simply asking for enough for me to start my life over. Just enough for closing cost and cost to move and all that happy horse manure. I could be a dick and really go all out and post picket signs and bring attention to them in ways they don't want. And ALL that they are now aware of and seem to be cooperating more and more now. The CEO and higher ups are getting more involved now. The Project manager tried telling me that they are at 99% of there budget. Really? This plant is costing a estimated value of $800 million. Yes your reading that right. So to tell me that $150k will break the bank is nothing but crap. I call BS!
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The major corps are always lying to get out of paying for there mistakes ! Typical corporate BS
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no ;) ..I just know what it takes to beat the lefty's/.gov/control freaks ... at their own game >:D its called normal thinking in these parts... :thumbup:
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0.01875% is was 150,000 is to 800 mil ......= tite-azz-sobs
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0.01875% is was 150,000 is to 800 mil ......= tite-azz-sobs
Yeah that's hell of a dent on 800 mill huh lol.
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they could by 5333.33333 of your houses ! the bassturds !