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All-Purpose OWF Discussions => Plumbing => Topic started by: Jwood on November 26, 2014, 09:58:44 AM

Title: pump on the top return ports of the bl 2840
Post by: Jwood on November 26, 2014, 09:58:44 AM
So I just want to make sure
1- are the top ports the return
2-can I hook my pumps up there pumping into the boiler?
Title: Re: pump on the top return ports of the bl 2840
Post by: sceptre74 on November 26, 2014, 01:45:59 PM
I have the top as the supply. Not sure if there is a golden rule on this, but it is what slim recommended I do
Title: Re: pump on the top return ports of the bl 2840
Post by: Cabo on November 26, 2014, 02:40:57 PM
On my 250 the supply is off the top port with the pump pulling from the boiler(pump inside the house).  I would think you would want to pull from the boiler instead of pushing toward/into it.  My system was designed by Slim as well.
Title: Re: pump on the top return ports of the bl 2840
Post by: Jwood on November 26, 2014, 03:30:36 PM
See I thought I read somewhere on here return on top to the hottest part of the boiler.
Title: Re: pump on the top return ports of the bl 2840
Post by: slimjim on November 26, 2014, 04:31:49 PM
Sceptre, did I say supply from the top of a BL, if so I am sorry, I must have mistaken your unit for a gasser,  The B-L should pull from the bottom port and return to the top. I truly am sorry if I misled you, my mistake!
Title: Re: pump on the top return ports of the bl 2840
Post by: Crow on November 26, 2014, 04:50:44 PM
 So is this a change from the first year BL's? Mine is set up as outlined in the manual with supply from top and return to bottom.
Title: Re: pump on the top return ports of the bl 2840
Post by: Jwood on November 26, 2014, 05:22:31 PM
I believe they changed it after some research and direction from slim but my owner's manual is not up to date either. Maybe someone should just post an updated supply and return port thread and sticky it.
Title: Re: pump on the top return ports of the bl 2840
Post by: EE Farm Boy on November 26, 2014, 05:26:47 PM
On the BL, the top ports are the supply lines which should then be connected to the pumps.  The bottom ports are the return lines, this is what the manual says and how I have mine installed.  Sometimes I think we all get a little confused, sometimes the simplest things are the most confusing for me.  ;)  Seems to make since to me, you would want the cooler water entering closest to the fire box so that it can warm the fastest...
Title: Re: pump on the top return ports of the bl 2840
Post by: sceptre74 on November 26, 2014, 05:32:38 PM
Do I have anything to worry about the way I'm setup? It's an easy fix to flip my pumps on the boiler side, but not so much on the other side of the hx. No worries slim. It's not like I'm the only guy you're helping out around here. Lol
Title: Re: pump on the top return ports of the bl 2840
Post by: slimjim on November 26, 2014, 05:41:52 PM
As I recall, Dave said he was installing them with supply on the top and was getting some boilers with boiling inside, they tried one supplying from the bottom and the circulation was so much better that they stuck with it, I don't think it matters a lot as long as the load and flow rate is there but warmer temps as we can all see seems to multiply issues, flow is the key guys, don't restrict the flow in the primary loop and all is good!
Title: Re: pump on the top return ports of the bl 2840
Post by: Mr. Maple on December 01, 2014, 03:06:18 PM
 So then Slim,is it the return(colder water) should come back to the top instead of the bottom? I have mine returning to the bottom I am sure the way the manual stated, might have to change next spring, as it is all insulated for this season, hate to tear it apart and the fittings now.
Title: Re: pump on the top return ports of the bl 2840
Post by: Jwood on December 01, 2014, 03:13:21 PM
Correct Mr. Maple colder return water to the top ports
Title: Re: pump on the top return ports of the bl 2840
Post by: oaky on December 01, 2014, 06:42:32 PM
I installed my lines according to the manual, supply from the top/return to the bottom. Personally, I foresee no problem installed this way.
Title: Re: pump on the top return ports of the bl 2840
Post by: Uponthehill on December 01, 2014, 07:42:53 PM
My shop is plumbed with supply coming from the top. Return is entering the bottom. I have not yet plumbed the house which will be the largest load of the two. Does anyone foresee a problem plumbing the house opposite the shop?  Will the house try and pull cooler water from the shop return if I swap configuration?  I know some suggest opposite from what the factory manual states, but wanted to know what field results I could experience. Thanks in advance for any responses.
Title: Re: pump on the top return ports of the bl 2840
Post by: Jwood on December 01, 2014, 08:30:26 PM
I would do either both from the top or both from the bottom it would be different if the top ports were further apart but I'm assuming they are close in the water jacket just like on the back of the stove but I've never seen one apart, if they are that close you might draw supply water that hasnt had time to mix from the other return.
Title: Re: pump on the top return ports of the bl 2840
Post by: slimjim on December 02, 2014, 03:15:42 AM
Sorry guys, out of service most of the day, I have not run the B-L enough to have ever heard it but one of our dealers in Wisconsin was telling me that on a 34-44 that was being run hard, the customer was hearing boiling, it was plumbed supply from the top and return to the bottom, they reversed the lines and all is fine now.
Title: Re: pump on the top return ports of the bl 2840
Post by: Uponthehill on December 02, 2014, 04:16:24 AM
Thanks guys. I'll let you know if anything else changes...