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Title: Inside fire box > "how clean is clean" ? (summer/storage/no use)
Post by: atvalaska on April 19, 2015, 10:56:55 AM
trying to shut her down ..45deg above, all nite with a 25mph wind !!......I did the cardboard burn (2times), pulled my fire brick  and scraped ..the "line of black above the fire brick is gone the top 1/3 on both sides of center is a mirror like black ...it don't really come off I can scratch it but its only a hair thick near as I can tell  I left it hot all nite > using coal  ... so where do I go from here ?   do it all again/break out the weed burner?
Title: Re: Inside fire box > "how clean is clean" ? (summer/storage/no use)
Post by: Fourced on April 19, 2015, 12:11:52 PM
I got mine clean enough to leak.... :bash:
Title: Re: Inside fire box > "how clean is clean" ? (summer/storage/no use)
Post by: real bill on April 19, 2015, 01:28:52 PM
All I do is shovel all the ashes out and scrape all the creosote the best I can and have no problems for 12 years or so.  I don't think it's that important to clean it spotless clean.
Title: Re: Inside fire box > "how clean is clean" ? (summer/storage/no use)
Post by: kommandokenny on April 19, 2015, 03:28:54 PM
Maybe some of the caked on stuff will act as rust inhibitor :bag:
Title: Re: Inside fire box > "how clean is clean" ? (summer/storage/no use)
Post by: atvalaska on April 19, 2015, 04:58:29 PM
now I'm even more loss   :'( :'(    if I was to smother the  chit that's left with f-flim etc...and no "air" could get to it ,would it work ? ...no oxygen = dead  :o
Title: Re: Inside fire box > "how clean is clean" ? (summer/storage/no use)
Post by: kommandokenny on April 20, 2015, 06:59:37 AM
http://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/creosote-based-coatings-to-prevent-rust.759653/ (http://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/creosote-based-coatings-to-prevent-rust.759653/)

more fodder
Title: Re: Inside fire box > "how clean is clean" ? (summer/storage/no use)
Post by: Roger2561 on April 20, 2015, 10:29:04 AM
In the next couple of weeks I'll be shutting down my OWB for the summer.  What comes with that of course is a thorough cleaning. The part I hate the most is scraping the creosote build up from the fire box surface.  After I've done that and everything else has been cleaned I apply oil to all surfaces and seal the fire door shut.  I've been wondering if it's overkill to scrape all of the creosote/tarry stuff off the fire box.  Due to my back giving me trouble for the past couple of weeks, I know I will not be able to contort my body to the point needed to reach some of the corners and surfaces without experiencing extreme pain.  Because my OWB is a gasser I cannot use the cardboard trick others' have used, it may warp the by-pass door and eat up the gaskets.  I've been thinking of using one of the those torches/flamethrowers that highway workers use to loosen asphalt that connect to a propane tank to see if it will loosen the creosote enough where I can simply use a wide putty-knife/trowel to scrape the creosote from the surfaces.  Like I said, my back can no longer take that kind contortion to scrape the creosote from the walls surfaces for more than 10 minutes.  I welcome your thoughts on this concept.  Roger       
Title: Re: Inside fire box > "how clean is clean" ? (summer/storage/no use)
Post by: Bondo on April 20, 2015, 03:39:24 PM
All I do is shovel all the ashes out and scrape all the creosote the best I can and have no problems for 12 years or so.  I don't think it's that important to clean it spotless clean.

Ayuh,....    Ditto,...   shovel the ashes out, 'n wait til September,...
Title: Re: Inside fire box > "how clean is clean" ? (summer/storage/no use)
Post by: Roger2561 on April 20, 2015, 05:43:34 PM
Thanks for chiming in guys.

My main concern is the corners where the welds are.  Perhaps if I concentrate my efforts there I may be able to knock off the time needed to clean the thing.  Roger
Title: Re: Inside fire box > "how clean is clean" ? (summer/storage/no use)
Post by: atvalaska on April 20, 2015, 10:26:07 PM
all rite I did 3 burns to nite ....in my round pipe like boiler.... temp was 84 ..got it to 200 and my "heat dump going off" in 40 mins I did throw my creosote killer on all every thing to include the layers of cardboard to boot ...dam I feel like I could start over on my stoves virginity at this point ...but she looks a bit used !...
Title: Re: Inside fire box > "how clean is clean" ? (summer/storage/no use)
Post by: kommandokenny on April 22, 2015, 07:08:00 AM
"Creosote is a gummy, foul smelling, corrosive and extremely combustible substance that, if no precautions are taken, will coat the insides of everything it passes through."

Looks like ya should get it off if ya can.......... and then spray on the oil.

They say to clean your boilers up inside, for a reason.

kk
Title: Re: Inside fire box > "how clean is clean" ? (summer/storage/no use)
Post by: atvalaska on April 22, 2015, 09:40:31 AM
I now have the glossy stuff looking like a dusting of  Kingsford's !   i'm keeping at it  100 deg with some coal ./..till the week end where I'll oil her up !
Title: Re: Inside fire box > "how clean is clean" ? (summer/storage/no use)
Post by: Roger2561 on April 22, 2015, 10:27:59 AM
"Creosote is a gummy, foul smelling, corrosive and extremely combustible substance that, if no precautions are taken, will coat the insides of everything it passes through."

Looks like ya should get it off if ya can.......... and then spray on the oil.

They say to clean your boilers up inside, for a reason.

kk

Thanks for the words of advice.  This degenerative disk disease is some thing that I have to live with and I hope the flame thrower I have ordered will help by cutting down on the amount of time needed to clean the firebox.

Roger
Title: Re: Inside fire box > "how clean is clean" ? (summer/storage/no use)
Post by: kommandokenny on April 23, 2015, 06:07:14 AM
I now have the glossy stuff looking like a dusting of  Kingsford's !   i'm keeping at it  100 deg with some coal ./..till the week end where I'll oil her up !

I'm kinda surprised your shutting down.
I wood of thought, you wood burn into May, with the colder climate.
I got almost two weeks till shut down
Got a gallon of Fluid film and an air gun off ebay,,,, ready to go.
Title: Re: Inside fire box > "how clean is clean" ? (summer/storage/no use)
Post by: mlappin on April 23, 2015, 06:18:39 AM
"Creosote is a gummy, foul smelling, corrosive and extremely combustible substance that, if no precautions are taken, will coat the insides of everything it passes through."

Looks like ya should get it off if ya can.......... and then spray on the oil.

They say to clean your boilers up inside, for a reason.

kk

Thanks for the words of advice.  This degenerative disk disease is some thing that I have to live with and I hope the flame thrower I have ordered will help by cutting down on the amount of time needed to clean the firebox.

Roger

yep, they used to call it arthritis, I think they can bill the insurance company more for a fancy thing like "degenerative disc disease". Of course then some people are more impressed by DDD than arthritis.

From 45 years on the farm (since the day I was born) the orthopedist was impressed that the rest of my discs were in as good as shape as they are, said my hips were in great shape for a "man my age".  I'm getting tired of that phrase, the wife and I have friends that aren't even in their 30's yet, I can outwork, out play and out drink em hands down.
Title: Re: Inside fire box > "how clean is clean" ? (summer/storage/no use)
Post by: kommandokenny on April 23, 2015, 06:42:58 AM
Atta boy Martin,,, :thumbup: use it or loose it. ;)
Title: Re: Inside fire box > "how clean is clean" ? (summer/storage/no use)
Post by: Roger2561 on April 23, 2015, 10:27:44 AM
"Creosote is a gummy, foul smelling, corrosive and extremely combustible substance that, if no precautions are taken, will coat the insides of everything it passes through."

Looks like ya should get it off if ya can.......... and then spray on the oil.

They say to clean your boilers up inside, for a reason.

kk

Thanks for the words of advice.  This degenerative disk disease is some thing that I have to live with and I hope the flame thrower I have ordered will help by cutting down on the amount of time needed to clean the firebox.

Roger

yep, they used to call it arthritis, I think they can bill the insurance company more for a fancy thing like "degenerative disc disease". Of course then some people are more impressed by DDD than arthritis.

From 45 years on the farm (since the day I was born) the orthopedist was impressed that the rest of my discs were in as good as shape as they are, said my hips were in great shape for a "man my age".  I'm getting tired of that phrase, the wife and I have friends that aren't even in their 30's yet, I can outwork, out play and out drink em hands down.

There's nothing that will make you sit back a bit when a graduate student uses the phrase "you're lucky at your advanced age you can still do the things you enjoy".  Advanced age!  Man, I'm not quite 54 years old!  Talk about bursting ones bubble!  What will it be considered when I reach my 60's, 70's, etc..., old geezer?  Roger
Title: Re: Inside fire box > "how clean is clean" ? (summer/storage/no use)
Post by: kommandokenny on April 23, 2015, 02:42:48 PM
Don't worry Roger as long as your pullin and not on the trailer!!!
















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Title: Re: Inside fire box > "how clean is clean" ? (summer/storage/no use)
Post by: slimjim on April 23, 2015, 03:26:21 PM
NICE !!!!!
Title: Re: Inside fire box > "how clean is clean" ? (summer/storage/no use)
Post by: CRJR on April 23, 2015, 07:17:32 PM
"Yup she I still back there"
Title: Re: Inside fire box > "how clean is clean" ? (summer/storage/no use)
Post by: Roger2561 on April 24, 2015, 04:16:54 AM
Don't worry Roger as long as your pullin and not on the trailer!!!

Oh man, I need one of those, trailer that is.  Roger















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Title: Re: Inside fire box > "how clean is clean" ? (summer/storage/no use)
Post by: mlappin on April 24, 2015, 06:11:59 AM
Roger, I'd definitely try the weed burner, I've used mine to burn creosote out of the stack a few times. Bought mine from TSC.

Then get yourself a long handled floor scraper so you don't have to bend over to get in the firebox. Something like this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000PAQEIC/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_2?pf_rd_p=1944687782&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000RMS13E&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=18B19QG2YCNN69BRZJ67 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000PAQEIC/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_2?pf_rd_p=1944687782&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000RMS13E&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=18B19QG2YCNN69BRZJ67)  Smaller ones than what I linked are available, we have a 8" with a wood handle then have a 4" with a steel handle. You could cut either one down if the handle gets in the way too much.

Another use for the weed burner, we have grape vines, raspberries and black berries, take the weed burner and burn the weeds off around the grapes/berries, once the grass or weeds are done trying to come back mulch it again. The heat doesn't seem to bother either the grapes to the berries. Just don't keep the weed burner directly on what you want to keep.
Title: Re: Inside fire box > "how clean is clean" ? (summer/storage/no use)
Post by: Roscoe on April 24, 2015, 06:23:32 AM
I got mine clean enough to leak.... :bash:

What?   Fourced, what kind of stove do you have and how old is it?