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Title: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: FrozenMongrel on November 10, 2016, 07:31:11 PM
So I finally got around to starting a thread to document my G200 install. I've been working with Slimjim since I put a deposit on a G200 at the Fryeburg fair this year. So far I've gotten the old boiler removed and today he dropped off the new Logstor pipe for the runs to the house and barn. The old stuff was simply pex wrapped in black foam insulation like you can get at any hardware store then stuck through 4" PVC pipe. The pipe was never sealed so there was a lot of ground water that got into it. Last year was the 1st year I owned this house and without heating the barn I went through over 9 cords of wood. Lots of it was pine as I didn't have much time before winter when I moved into the house. Melted a good portion of the snow where the underground lines were.

The house came with an old Shaver boiler and this summer I knew that I was going to have an issue with is as all of the water leaked out of it at some point. Unfortunately I didn't catch it until later in the summer as I work tons of hours and have side jobs that fill up pretty much all my free time. Once I started looking into it I discovered that the entire bottom of the Shaver was rusted through like Swiss cheese. I do metal fabrication work and welding, so I was very tempted to just fix it until I figured out that the entire water jacket would pretty much have to be rebuilt. All that effort and time for a very inefficient boiler really didn't make sense and so that's what started me looking at the alternatives. Selected a G200 after doing lots of research. I live about 10 min away from Slimjim, so it made the choice even easier. I removed the old boiler and dug the lines out last Saturday and today Slimjim came over with the bus and trailer to get me the Logstor pipe I needed. The old concrete pad from the Shaver had a couple of 5" diameter holes that the PVC had been fed through and I was able to get the Logstor fed through those and into the barn and basement of the house. Here are a few pictures of the old boiler and then of the trench and new Logstor pipe. My property has an extremely high water table, so when I was digging the trench I actually ran into ground water less than 2' down. I tried pumping it out and had drained it almost completely last night, but today when I was running the Logstor there was almost 2' of water in the bottom of the trenches.

This is an overview of the old system after I had started taking it apart to inspect for leaks
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The old plumbing coming into the walk out basement and connecting to a water to water HX
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Starting digging out the old pipes and trenching for the Logstor
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You can see how high the water is in the trench. I was watching it flow in from the sides of the trenches as I was digging it. Not much I can do about it and with the Logstor it shouldn't be an issue
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Cut the old water jacket off the Shaver with my plasma cutter to see how bad the sludge buildup really was. There was about 5" of sludge in the bottom and numerous places that it had rusted through.
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The new Logstor pipe
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short run into the barn
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both runs fed through the existing holes in the concrete pad
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Can't really see it, but the logstor is starting to be back filled here
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Barn end of the logstor. This will eventually get connected to a retrofitted mobile home furnace for heat.
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Plenty of Logstor run into the house to plumb into the hydronic system
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Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: mlappin on November 10, 2016, 07:49:59 PM
Nice job so far, you’ll like the Logstor and you’re right, the high water table won’t bother it.

WE farm some ground like yours, years ago somebody thought  they were going to build a house on it, they dug a basement and by the next day it was completely full of water, so they tried pumping it out, no sooner than they shut the pumps off it would fill again, whole thing turned into a quicksand mess. Who ever did it never backfilled the hole, took us about five years before it ever settled and packed back down enough to actually farm across without the worry of getting hung up.
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: slimjim on November 11, 2016, 12:52:26 AM
Nice pics, does this new development mean that you will also be changing your screen name as well.
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: FrozenMongrel on November 11, 2016, 04:54:44 AM
Nice pics, does this new development mean that you will also be changing your screen name as well.

The screen name is based on my side job. Frozen Mongrel Fabrication. I modify vehicles, usually for off road use, but I've done several street vehicles as well. I've been doing it for several years and chose the name a few years ago.
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: FrozenMongrel on November 11, 2016, 02:23:54 PM
Got the major grading done this afternoon after work.

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Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: FrozenMongrel on November 12, 2016, 03:52:40 PM
Got the pvc conduit buried this afternoon and was able to finish back filling the trenches.
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Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: FrozenMongrel on November 19, 2016, 02:39:04 PM
Was supposed to be delivered today, but Richard was delayed at a job in VT. Hopefully it'll be delivered tomorrow. Spent 4 hours pulling copper pipe and plumbing parts from a friend's basement. He switched from hydronic oil to natural gas monitor heaters. Gave me anything I wanted to take. 5 circ pumps, 6 zone controller, misc fittings/valves and tons of 3/4 and 1" copper pipe. I left a bit more 1" and lots of 3/4". I can always go get it later. The system has been off for a couple of years and it was never drained, so most of the time I was there was simply draining the system. Large 3 unit building, probably somewhere around 100 gal in the heating system.

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Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: slimjim on November 19, 2016, 03:36:27 PM
Load the shotgun, if the wrong people see all that, they won't be knocking when they come in to get it!
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: slimjim on November 20, 2016, 03:25:30 AM
Great pics Matt, I'll be over today with your 200, here is a few pics of the one we just did in St Johnsbury VT. Bill if you are reading this, Thanks for the hospitality and letting us do the whole job the way we wanted to!
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: FrozenMongrel on November 20, 2016, 03:53:56 PM
It's in place  8) Lots of plumbing to do now, but it feels good to have it in place.
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Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: mf40diesel on November 20, 2016, 05:39:51 PM
So far our new G-200 is kicking butt!  Once its going good with a good coal bed... not even a hint of smoke!

Richard,  miss you and Mikey B!  Might have to make another trip down to the shop.

Thanks
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: slimjim on November 21, 2016, 01:40:03 AM
 Thank You, You are more than welcome any time and don't be alarmed if you wake up some morning and find that there's a bus parked in your drive. I bet it's cold up there on the hill this morning?
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: mf40diesel on November 21, 2016, 07:51:06 AM
Im actually back at work, but mum reported that it was 28 I think, and we got a few inches of snow!
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: FrozenMongrel on November 21, 2016, 09:37:22 PM
Spent a couple hours tonight after putting the kids to bed working on plumbing and running power to the boiler
Got the basement end of the pipe cut back and the adapter fittings installed. I am actually surprised how small the inner diameter of the fittings is, it almost looks like the equivalent of 3/4" copper.
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Bought some 1 1/4" copper unions and adapters. Gotta love how expensive it is. Going to run the unions to the threaded heat exchanger ports then run 1 1/4" tee's that have 3/4" nptf for hose bibs to allow draining/purging/cleaning then adapt down to 1" ball valves and long sweep 90's to the connections from the underground pipe. Should flow really well without having to use any bullnose tees.
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The threaded ports will get temp gauges so I can tell what the return water temperature is. Full port 1" ball valves and full port shutoff flanges for the circulation pumps. All copper or stainless fittings
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Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: FrozenMongrel on November 23, 2016, 08:10:31 PM
Got the back of the boiler plumbing done tonight. I also got a temp loop in the barn of heater hose looped from the supply to the return pex, but not really anything there worthy of a picture. Forgot to get some fittings for installing the basement plumbing and bought a couple of things that were not what I actually need, so I'll have to pick up the rest of what I need on Friday. Happy Thanksgiving to anyone reading this thread!
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House circuit
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Barn circuit
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Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: slimjim on November 24, 2016, 01:46:59 AM
Looking good Matt, the Magic bus and I are home if you need anything and want a reason to get out of the kitchen, not sure about your place but here at mine it's going to be a madhouse in there today!
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: BIG AL on November 24, 2016, 07:20:29 AM
Nice clean job hooking up your boiler. I spent a lot of time and money when I hooked my g-200 last year but it was well worth every penny spent. I put my temp probes and circulators in the house so I can watch while I stay warm :) And if I ever have to change a circulator it will be in my slippers.
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: hondaracer2oo4 on November 24, 2016, 07:26:19 AM
What size tacos did you use?
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: FrozenMongrel on November 24, 2016, 04:27:33 PM
What size tacos did you use?

I had 2 007 F5 circ pumps from the stuff from my friend, I have several other pumps to choose from if these don't work out well, but these are the only tacos. I have almost no elevation change from the boiler to the house with only about a 50' run of logstor. In the house there are only 4 long sweep 90's each way from the heat exchanger. Should be plenty of flow from the 007 as there's very low head pressure. All of the valves and shutoff flanges are full port as well.

I'm also planning on 4 gauges near the heat exchanger so I can measure the heat transfer, I put the ones on the boiler so I can see the total system heat drop and monitor the boiler return water temps.
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: FrozenMongrel on November 24, 2016, 05:13:16 PM
This is the arrangement I have planned for going through the heat exchanger
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The oil boiler side is going to be pex temporarily for this year until hopefully next spring when I can replumb the house to a primary secondary system.
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: hondaracer2oo4 on November 24, 2016, 07:33:36 PM
Are you going to put temp gauges on your supply and return? 007 pump Max's out at 10 feet of head. As long as your return temps to your boiler are less than 20 delta t you are fine.
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: FrozenMongrel on November 24, 2016, 07:37:14 PM
Are you going to put temp gauges on your supply and return? 007 pump Max's out at 10 feet of head. As long as your return temps to your boiler are less than 20 delta t you are fine.

I'll have them on the return to the boiler and at both feed and return at the heat exchanger in the basement
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: tinfoilhat2020 on November 24, 2016, 08:41:10 PM
Looks real good!
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: FrozenMongrel on November 25, 2016, 05:50:51 PM
Changed the order of gauge and drain bib, but finalized the layout of the heat exchanger and in the process of plumbing it in. Spent about 3 or 4 hours on it so far today, I'll get a couple more in before I call it a night. Should be able to get the G200 filled up tomorrow!
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Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: coolidge on November 25, 2016, 06:02:00 PM
Any chance you could get a piece of foamboard behind that exchanger?
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: hondaracer2oo4 on November 25, 2016, 06:10:26 PM
I was thinking the same thing but if you could keep it just 1/8 inch away from the frost wall it would help immensely to not act to suck the heat out of the hx.
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: FrozenMongrel on November 25, 2016, 08:51:11 PM
It will have a spacer behind it to provide insulation from the concrete. Everything in that spot is tight clearances so I wasn't sure how much space I was going to have. I should have enough room to space it out with some insulation. Other than that the boiler side is now ready to fill tomorrow morning while I work on connecting the heat exchanger to the oil boiler.
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: FrozenMongrel on November 26, 2016, 04:07:02 PM
Boiler is filled and plumbing is connected to the oil boiler system. That side of it is only for this year hopefully as I hope to replumb the hydronic system to a primary secondary system next spring. Foam insulation behind the heat exchanger, gauges on in and out of the hx for both systems and return temp gauges on the back of the g200. Probably will give it a day to circulate then I'll pull a water sample for testing and light a fire.
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One of the copper unions was leaking, one heater hose clamp I forgot to tighten, and 1 joint had to be re-soldered. That's the extent of the issues I've had so far. Really trouble free install overall. Can't wait to fire it up and see how it runs.
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: FrozenMongrel on November 27, 2016, 03:27:29 PM
Got the boiler fired up this morning. Took about 3 hours to get to temp, but hardly used any wood compared to when I 1st fired up the shaver last year. That has about 6 hours and 2 full fireboxes of wood. This was 1 load about halfway up the door and the firebox is much smaller than the shaver's.
It's going to take a bit to get used to not seeing smoke billowing out all day long. Full bore getting to temp was far less than when the shaver was at idle.
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Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: MattyNH on November 27, 2016, 04:03:37 PM
wow impressive post from start to finish! I like how you put the temp gauges on in your setup.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: hondaracer2oo4 on November 27, 2016, 05:13:36 PM
Most important thing is to get a good 3-4 inch coal bed built up. Another thing I learned not to break up the wood in te firebox when reloading. Just load back up and make sure you pack the wood tight togeather, if you have rounds split them so they have one flat side. Your going to be super impressed with the amount f wood you burn.
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: slimjim on November 28, 2016, 01:45:00 AM
Nice job, we are back home if you need anything, the commercial job in CT went very well, there will be some very happy workers at the sawmill this morning!
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: FrozenMongrel on November 29, 2016, 04:53:07 PM
So I had the boiler go out at some point today. Still had several pieces of wood, but no flame. Water temp was 149 and the fan was blowing, so I'm guessing it went out between calls for heat. I'm running a mix of mostly dry pine with some oak and maple mixed in. I don't have much of a coal bed yet, but I hit the coals with a propane torch and it relit instantly and began gasification within a couple minutes. Temps were in the high 40's and steady rain. No one was home all day, so I'm guessing there were no calls for heat. Anyone know what the factory setting is for running between calls for heat?
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: mf40diesel on November 29, 2016, 06:30:52 PM
I have had a similiar issue with mine.  It actually went out a couple times on us.  More recently now that we have been having more regular cooler weather (30's day, and 20's night) the wife hasn't reported any issues. 

It is pretty easy to look at the settings in the Logo! control panel.  Mine was factory set to run 3 min every 30min between cycles.  I changed mine to 4 min.  Not sure if that was a wise thing or not, but it's what I did.  At the time we had issues, were the days when it was still in the 60's during the day , the boiler litterally wouldn't call all day except the 3 min.  To compound that, I was really pushing it with the wood quality, really cramming some questionably wet stuff in there, experimenting with what I could get away with.

My situation is a little unique, I go to sea for a living, so my wife and son have to take care of the heating when I am gone.  I need it to work with no issues while I am gone.  The wife's onboard, but I also don't want to make it hard at all, or I'll risk her jumping off that wagon.
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: mlappin on November 29, 2016, 11:45:15 PM
The G series is a pretty forgiving unit, probably the closet gasifying stove available thats almost like running a conventional OWB.

Biggest thing I’ve found, don’t be afraid of getting too many coals, unlike some of what I’ve heard about other brands, I’ve yet to have any issues from too many coals.
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: hondaracer2oo4 on November 30, 2016, 09:22:06 AM
Thick coal bed is key. Use some quality dry hardwood to build it up. You are going to need to understand that your going to put about twice as much wood in as you normally would for a 12 hour run, but after that initial heavy load you are going to e good to go with a nice coal bed. Plan for 12 hour loadibgs(guess how much you need depending on temp and wind conditions during th next 12 hours). Also as far as wood quality goes, you bought a 10,000 + boiler, put quality wood in it. First year you get a little bit of a pass because you might not have had a chance of having one year cut split stacked wood. But after the first year you shouldn't have much of an excuse when it comes to wood quality. Don't gum up a 10000 boiler is what I say.
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: FrozenMongrel on November 30, 2016, 11:59:59 AM
Relit it and it ran fine all night. When I checked it this morning it's starting to build up a nice coal bed. I've got a stockpile of maple and oak that was cut this year for next season, just burning through the pine I had from last year while the weather is warmer. It's all pretty dry with around 15% moisture content. The oak and maple I have is still in the 30's.
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: FrozenMongrel on December 08, 2016, 11:43:57 AM
Boiler's been going great, picked up a miller mobile home furnace to convert to heat for my barn. Ripped out all the heat exchanger parts and am working on re-routing the outlet of the downdraft to front outlet.
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Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: hondaracer2oo4 on December 08, 2016, 03:02:38 PM
So what's your plan to do with the furnace?
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: FrozenMongrel on December 08, 2016, 03:29:24 PM
So what's your plan to do with the furnace?

Put a water to air hx under the blower fan where the old propane hx used to be then duct the hot air out under that through a new vent either in the door or side. I may shorten the door and put a permanent vent under the shortened door.
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: mlappin on December 08, 2016, 03:31:34 PM
So what's your plan to do with the furnace?

Put a water to air hx under the blower fan where the old propane hx used to be then duct the hot air out under that through a new vent either in the door or side. I may shorten the door and put a permanent vent under the shortened door.

Thats what I did in the shop, took an old down draft, mounted an HX in it and relocated the filter rack, tis nice to just change filters instead of having to clean the HX. Do a lot of welding and plasma cutting in the shop so always a little smoke settling on stuff.
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: FrozenMongrel on December 14, 2016, 08:27:35 PM
Haven't had a chance to do anything else with the barn heat, too busy with other things. I did get a new tool to help with the change to a gassifier from a basic wood boiler. Hopefully I can get it put together tomorrow night and start splitting up some of the dry hardwood that I have stacked up all over the place. Boiler has been going extremely well, 12+ hour burn times with a mixture of dry pine and dry maple. I haven't seen the total temp drop over 15* from the output water temp to the boiler return and that was with a washer, dishwasher, shower and 1 zone calling for heat. I've still not adjusted completely to the gassifier's efficiency and lack of smoke. Just tonight I heard the blower kick on and had to go out to the boiler to check on it because I couldn't see any visible smoke or steam in the dark. Loving the fact that I'm no longer smoking out the neighbors!
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Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: mlappin on December 15, 2016, 08:06:09 PM
Loving the fact that I'm no longer smoking out the neighbors!


I’m sure they appreciate that as well ;D

Every once in a great while I’d be a little concerned about my ole smokey, smoke would come out, hit an temperature inversion, follow the ground, across the pasture and finally cross the state highway, always figured someday I’d be getting a visit from the county board of health or code enforcement because somebody got a bee in their butt about the smoke.

Took a while for my wife to tell the difference between steam/condensation and smoke, a few times she’d get up early, look out the kitchen window and freak, then wake me up because she though it was smoking and something was wrong, a glance out the window would assure her it was condensation. Started it earlier in the year when it wasn’t cold enough to cause the warm exhaust to condensate so she expected it always to be clear.
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: FrozenMongrel on December 20, 2016, 09:13:30 PM
Finally got the log splitter put together and ran it for about 20 min to get some more wood split for the week. I've got the day off Friday so I'm planning on getting everything that I've cut to length split and stacked. I also ordered a heat exchanger online for the miller furnace. Should be in tomorrow and I've got some free time tomorrow night, so we'll see how far I can get on getting the heater setup. Seems like I'm going through about 1/3 of the wood that I was last year, we'll see if that keeps up though the winter, but it's been much colder this year than it was last at this point.
Title: Re: New G200 replacing a rusted out Shaver
Post by: FrozenMongrel on December 21, 2016, 08:40:20 PM
Gutted the Miller furnace I bought a couple weeks ago and started working on mounting the heat exchanger and wiring it to have a switch. I may wire it to a thermostat someday, but this year an on/off switch will have to do.

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Made a bracket for the heat exchanger to slide into. I'll have to cut a slot into the side of the furnace housing for this to be riveted into, then the heat exchanger will slide into it with the copper fittings on the side sticking out.
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The markings on the side are where the slot will be cut for the heat exchanger bracket
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