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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Why not to put your boiler in a woodshed
« on: April 09, 2014, 09:32:24 PM »
I have shown these before but this is where I was planning to place my BL 34/44 when it comes, in the right side where the canoe is. I would remove the rafters near the insulated stack and frame around it to carry the weight. I will pour a concrete pad where the compacted gravel is now.
The wood shed will be extended to the left two more sections so it should hold 14 to 15 cords ( I hope )
The stack will be extended with insulated chimney above the steel roof using a thimble.
I have zero experience with an OWB but 30+ years of heating only with wood stoves and I do not understand where the risk comes from. I am not trying to be difficult, I want to know what I am missing here.
To my way of thinking I am taking away the risk of three wood stoves in the house and one in the shop and replacing it with one stove under a steel roof beside a huge pile of wood. Now I can see that if there is a fire there it will be quite a sight, however it would pale in comparison to a 5000 square foot pine log and pine board and batten house with a cedar shingle roof! They would see that from space.
I am trying to look down the road so that as I can more easily manage by having the wood within carrying or wheel barrow distance of the stove in all weather including possibly the summer.
I just do not see where there is a fire hazard from the BL 34/44 if it is properly used with the respect it deserves.
When I am teaching my son about wood working tools I stress to him that table saws, scroll saws, band saws etc have no remorse, they will cut you up and keep on going like you were never there, the same respect must accompany fire, it is totally indifferent to us.
Bob
The wood shed will be extended to the left two more sections so it should hold 14 to 15 cords ( I hope )
The stack will be extended with insulated chimney above the steel roof using a thimble.
I have zero experience with an OWB but 30+ years of heating only with wood stoves and I do not understand where the risk comes from. I am not trying to be difficult, I want to know what I am missing here.
To my way of thinking I am taking away the risk of three wood stoves in the house and one in the shop and replacing it with one stove under a steel roof beside a huge pile of wood. Now I can see that if there is a fire there it will be quite a sight, however it would pale in comparison to a 5000 square foot pine log and pine board and batten house with a cedar shingle roof! They would see that from space.
I am trying to look down the road so that as I can more easily manage by having the wood within carrying or wheel barrow distance of the stove in all weather including possibly the summer.
I just do not see where there is a fire hazard from the BL 34/44 if it is properly used with the respect it deserves.
When I am teaching my son about wood working tools I stress to him that table saws, scroll saws, band saws etc have no remorse, they will cut you up and keep on going like you were never there, the same respect must accompany fire, it is totally indifferent to us.
Bob
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Ok, I'm out...
« on: April 08, 2014, 09:31:55 PM »
This winter took a real toll on my firewood. Down to the last few loaders worth for the house.
Today I cut and split ( with my processor ) some ash logs that were stack since October. Put a loader full inside the sugar camp to dry the snow melt off the bark and started burning it today to make syrup. Mix one or two dry pieces with 8 to 10 of these and away we go, burnt great for syrup. Once it was roaring just kept tossing it in.
My older neighbor, a farmer has told me that when they were growing up and wood became short his dad would send them out to cut down an ash tree, that it could be burnt green. They would not have had air tight stoves then anyways, so like my evaporator away it goes.
Bob
Today I cut and split ( with my processor ) some ash logs that were stack since October. Put a loader full inside the sugar camp to dry the snow melt off the bark and started burning it today to make syrup. Mix one or two dry pieces with 8 to 10 of these and away we go, burnt great for syrup. Once it was roaring just kept tossing it in.
My older neighbor, a farmer has told me that when they were growing up and wood became short his dad would send them out to cut down an ash tree, that it could be burnt green. They would not have had air tight stoves then anyways, so like my evaporator away it goes.
Bob
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Cherry wood
« on: April 01, 2014, 07:51:34 PM »
That's the same Cherry I have here. It does dry fast as has been stated.
Catches fire fast but doesn't last like some of the harder woods.
I always liked to have some to get a fire going, very dependable.
Bob
Catches fire fast but doesn't last like some of the harder woods.
I always liked to have some to get a fire going, very dependable.
Bob
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Portage & Main / Another BL 34/44 going to a good home
« on: April 01, 2014, 04:52:25 PM »
After speaking with Brian Martin at Head Office I gave him a deposit on my BL 34/44.
Hope to get it as soon as the half loads come off the roads May 1st.
Thank you Slimjim for your support, I will need more for sure as this is a completely new installation.
I appreciate all of the thoughts from my fellow P+M owners that have expressed their opinions here. I weighed them carefully.
Bob
Hope to get it as soon as the half loads come off the roads May 1st.
Thank you Slimjim for your support, I will need more for sure as this is a completely new installation.
I appreciate all of the thoughts from my fellow P+M owners that have expressed their opinions here. I weighed them carefully.
Bob
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Global warming, climate change? Article
« on: March 29, 2014, 09:33:41 PM »
You put it perfectly Sloppy, and used his own words to show that.
Never-the-less I am sure we will see some more charts and data soon enough.
On a side note.
I have noticed that I have not seen any advertising by General Motors on the Chevy Volt lately.
Now I recall that when your Congress and my Federal government were heavily invested to the tune of ( brace yourself Slimjim ) billions of tax payer dollars in keeping them afloat that was promoted as the car of the future, a greener future using electricity instead of gasoline, that dreaded fuel that comes from oil.
Now GM seems to be quite proud of their 450 odd horsepower Cadillac. See a lot of that advertised. What an about face they have made.
Why would they do that?
In 45 years of driving various vehicles I have never had anything with that kind of power.
Bob
Never-the-less I am sure we will see some more charts and data soon enough.
On a side note.
I have noticed that I have not seen any advertising by General Motors on the Chevy Volt lately.
Now I recall that when your Congress and my Federal government were heavily invested to the tune of ( brace yourself Slimjim ) billions of tax payer dollars in keeping them afloat that was promoted as the car of the future, a greener future using electricity instead of gasoline, that dreaded fuel that comes from oil.
Now GM seems to be quite proud of their 450 odd horsepower Cadillac. See a lot of that advertised. What an about face they have made.
Why would they do that?
In 45 years of driving various vehicles I have never had anything with that kind of power.
Bob
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Global warming, climate change? Article
« on: March 29, 2014, 10:05:45 AM »
Well said guys.
As the saying goes " common sense is not so common. "
Bob
As the saying goes " common sense is not so common. "
Bob
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Global warming, climate change? Article
« on: March 27, 2014, 10:24:25 PM »
" climate change " just follow the money trail, and the politicians that beat the drum to get elected.
Thank heaven Canada did not sign the Kyoto Protocol, they followed the US lead, much to the chagrin of the under developed countries that wanted our money. Just another form of foreign aid.
So many companies are now " Green " companies.........
Like a soccer mom buying 4 big shiny ORGANIC apples for $7.50, instead of a bag of big shiny ones for $3.50. She has been educated by the media that she is doing the right thing for her family. Not her fault.
However in many cases the difference between the organic farmer and the regular farmer is that the organic farmer " only sprays at night."
Everyone is entitled to their opinions and hopefully they have been objective enough to hear both sides of an argument before deciding which they believe in.
Graphs and charts, it is all " data mining " look for information that supports your cause and use it, ignore the info that doesn't. One scientist say yes, one says no. Fund me and I will do a 3 year study..........
Bob
Thank heaven Canada did not sign the Kyoto Protocol, they followed the US lead, much to the chagrin of the under developed countries that wanted our money. Just another form of foreign aid.
So many companies are now " Green " companies.........
Like a soccer mom buying 4 big shiny ORGANIC apples for $7.50, instead of a bag of big shiny ones for $3.50. She has been educated by the media that she is doing the right thing for her family. Not her fault.
However in many cases the difference between the organic farmer and the regular farmer is that the organic farmer " only sprays at night."
Everyone is entitled to their opinions and hopefully they have been objective enough to hear both sides of an argument before deciding which they believe in.
Graphs and charts, it is all " data mining " look for information that supports your cause and use it, ignore the info that doesn't. One scientist say yes, one says no. Fund me and I will do a 3 year study..........
Bob
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Portage & Main / Re: Ultimizer Water Jackets - Why Smaller?
« on: March 26, 2014, 08:06:40 AM »
The same refractory bricks in the grate are the same as the ones that line my maple syrup evaporator. I can let the fire die off and hours later still have light steam coming of the pans. Since I boil with 2 inches in the pans I have to be sure to have enough sap left in the reservoir to hold that level after the fire is out.
Bob
Bob
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Portage & Main / Re: Ultimizer Water Jackets - Why Smaller?
« on: March 25, 2014, 10:15:59 AM »
Hi Slopster,
I used to wonder about that too but came to understand what Slim says about the ceramics storing heat in tandem with the surrounding water. They talk about a very fast recovery time.
It says on the brochure -
* Extra water volume is usually a by product of a large firebox because of inefficient design. Think of which pot boils faster— a big one or a smaller one?
Bob
I used to wonder about that too but came to understand what Slim says about the ceramics storing heat in tandem with the surrounding water. They talk about a very fast recovery time.
It says on the brochure -
* Extra water volume is usually a by product of a large firebox because of inefficient design. Think of which pot boils faster— a big one or a smaller one?
Bob
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Purchased my Portage & Main today!
« on: March 24, 2014, 06:45:12 PM »
That 28/40 looks pretty big sitting there, and I am most likely going with a 34/44 !
Looking good!
Bob
Looking good!
Bob
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Equipment / Re: I'm I just a dinosaur?
« on: March 24, 2014, 06:31:21 PM »
"Anyone can overbuild, true engineering is making it just good enough."
- yes sad but true.
Bob
- yes sad but true.
Bob
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Portage & Main / Re: Got my BL today!
« on: March 20, 2014, 08:39:39 AM »
Looks good Jack, happy to hear that you are impressed now that you can actually have a good look at it.
Bob
Bob
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Portage & Main / Re: Portage and Main installation start to finish the entire proecess
« on: March 19, 2014, 12:12:59 PM »
I think this is an excellent idea. I will be doing a new install from top to bottom and therefore it would be helpful to me, as it would subsequent newbies.
Thanks,
Bob
Thanks,
Bob
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: FORKLIFT CAPABLE OWB
« on: March 17, 2014, 05:03:05 PM »
Yes Richard I have your PM, good news, I will be in touch soon,
thank you,
Bob
thank you,
Bob
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: FORKLIFT CAPABLE OWB
« on: March 16, 2014, 07:48:26 PM »
Yes getting off the truck with the hook is no problem with a forklift, but since I don't have the head room to lift that way in order to slide it into my wood shed a forklift is what would work very well. We are working on a solution for this now,
Thank you,
Bob
Thank you,
Bob