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Thanks CAN DO. That is helpful info.
I am still trying to get pics taken and posted...might have enough time this weekend.
I am going to be using the plate exchanger in an ON DEMAND type situation....meaning that it will be plumbed in but only have potable water and boiler water running through it when there is a call for hot water. At least that's what I am thinking. Not sure if I can even do it that way and keep the hot water heater up to temp for a continuous flow of hot water.
I have an aquastat on the outlet side of the hot water heater to prevent anything to hot from running through the pipes. I'm not sure this is the best way with a plate exchanger and am open to suggestions.
I am still trying to get pics taken and posted...might have enough time this weekend.
I am going to be using the plate exchanger in an ON DEMAND type situation....meaning that it will be plumbed in but only have potable water and boiler water running through it when there is a call for hot water. At least that's what I am thinking. Not sure if I can even do it that way and keep the hot water heater up to temp for a continuous flow of hot water.
I have an aquastat on the outlet side of the hot water heater to prevent anything to hot from running through the pipes. I'm not sure this is the best way with a plate exchanger and am open to suggestions.
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I'll try to get some tonight.
Pump is used to keep constant pressure in the line so when you hit the faucet for hot...it's there in 2 seconds. My other house did not have this and it would take F...OR...E...VER to get hot water upstairs.
I told myself when we built the new house this would not be an issue for us.
Pump is used to keep constant pressure in the line so when you hit the faucet for hot...it's there in 2 seconds. My other house did not have this and it would take F...OR...E...VER to get hot water upstairs.
I told myself when we built the new house this would not be an issue for us.
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Thanks slimjim and CountryBoyJohn for the replies i'll get the pics tonight
CoutryBoyJohn: My home is pretty big and the re-circ pump greatly imporves the time it takes to get the hot water to the furthest location when it's called for. Sticking with that for sure. However, I will also say that I have 4 kids and a wife that loves to take baths! We need to have hot water in large quantities almost every day. Between laundry and dishwasher and baths/showers there isn't a time when the hot water is utilized. I had a 40 plate at my other house and 2 50 gallon hot water heaters that were reseviours....never ever ran out of water. Now is that the only way to do it...NO but it was the only way in that house with the way it was already set up.
I'll need to do a little more research but the way I am set up now, the plate exchanger will only get water sent to it when there is a call for hot water. My manifold system will open an electric valve and send the water to the plate exahanger (kind of like tankless) to replenish anything we have used. I wonder if this is the best way to do it only because that means I will be maintaining the temp in the HWH with electric. I was wondering if the sidearm could still be utilized to maintain a set temp in the HWH but the plate exchanger could be used in line in front of the sidearm for those times where the sidearm can not keep up. Does that make sense?
CoutryBoyJohn: My home is pretty big and the re-circ pump greatly imporves the time it takes to get the hot water to the furthest location when it's called for. Sticking with that for sure. However, I will also say that I have 4 kids and a wife that loves to take baths! We need to have hot water in large quantities almost every day. Between laundry and dishwasher and baths/showers there isn't a time when the hot water is utilized. I had a 40 plate at my other house and 2 50 gallon hot water heaters that were reseviours....never ever ran out of water. Now is that the only way to do it...NO but it was the only way in that house with the way it was already set up.
I'll need to do a little more research but the way I am set up now, the plate exchanger will only get water sent to it when there is a call for hot water. My manifold system will open an electric valve and send the water to the plate exahanger (kind of like tankless) to replenish anything we have used. I wonder if this is the best way to do it only because that means I will be maintaining the temp in the HWH with electric. I was wondering if the sidearm could still be utilized to maintain a set temp in the HWH but the plate exchanger could be used in line in front of the sidearm for those times where the sidearm can not keep up. Does that make sense?
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I have a sidearm that will not support the usage of hot water in my new house.
What I want to do is replace the sidearm with a 40 plate heat exchanger. House is brand spanking new with a very nice manifold and taco computer to run all my zones. I would like to remove the sidearm and install a plate exchanger but I am a little worried about my circulating pump. Normally they go into the bottom of the HWH but the plumber decided to do it the other way simply because of the sidearm. Well, since I'm ditching the sidearm I should be ok to go back to the re-circ pump in the standard configuration right?
I will post a picture if I can later this evening so you can see exactly what I would like to do.
What I want to do is replace the sidearm with a 40 plate heat exchanger. House is brand spanking new with a very nice manifold and taco computer to run all my zones. I would like to remove the sidearm and install a plate exchanger but I am a little worried about my circulating pump. Normally they go into the bottom of the HWH but the plumber decided to do it the other way simply because of the sidearm. Well, since I'm ditching the sidearm I should be ok to go back to the re-circ pump in the standard configuration right?
I will post a picture if I can later this evening so you can see exactly what I would like to do.
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Plumbing / Re: Wood Boiler on NEW well insulated home w/radiant questions
« on: February 13, 2014, 07:19:38 PM »
paintballs...I have decided to do under subfloor staple up since I am only doing small areas on the main level and it's just under tile.
As for the basement, it will be in the floor cement.
As for the basement, it will be in the floor cement.
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Plumbing / Re: Wood Boiler on NEW well insulated home w/radiant questions
« on: February 13, 2014, 12:13:51 PM »
When you say supply house I assume you mean a plumbing supply house? I don't have a lot of people in this area that are up to speed with the radiant floor heat. Everyone wants to run it off a geothermal in these parts. I will do some digging
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Plumbing / Wood Boiler on NEW well insulated home w/radiant questions
« on: February 13, 2014, 05:14:16 AM »
So I am moving my Heatmor 400 over to our new place that we will be breaking ground on this month. I am wanting to use the boiler for radiant floor heat as well as the water coils in the HVAC. I want to know if people are seeing the kind of heat loads they need to keep the boiler running efficiently in new homes that are very well inculated.
Also, I would like to know if there is a prefered website, supplier, that can assist me with EVERYTHING I need including a layout for my radiant floors. The local yocal here is a bit to proud of his labor and is very slow to get things completed. I need someone to lay it all out so I can lay it out and get it all connected.
Also, I would like to know if there is a prefered website, supplier, that can assist me with EVERYTHING I need including a layout for my radiant floors. The local yocal here is a bit to proud of his labor and is very slow to get things completed. I need someone to lay it all out so I can lay it out and get it all connected.
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Fire Wood / Re: TYPE of CHAIN SAWS USED
« on: May 07, 2012, 09:17:31 PM »
I have a Stihl MS 310 with a 20" bar and a Stihl MS 660 Magnum with a 25" bar. There is no tree I can't handle with these two saws.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: First OWB purchase
« on: April 12, 2012, 06:52:29 AM »
Yeah that stove is barely working to heat 1,000 sq feet. Our house is 3700 sq feet including the basement and we heat DHW so I want to make sure I am buying enough stove. We want to be able to heat a hot tub in the future so I don't want to have just enough stove for our current situation and not be able to do anything else with it.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: First OWB purchase
« on: April 11, 2012, 03:23:47 PM »
How many square feet is your house? Are you also doing your hot water?
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: First OWB purchase
« on: April 10, 2012, 06:09:13 AM »
Thanks RSI....It is important to me that it's made in my state. Not a lot of folks can have that luxury.
I am currently kicking myself because I COULD have had the 325G for an unbeatable price but I was dragging my feet making the decision to replace the homemade boiler and missed on that deal. However, I still have the opportunity to purchase the NCB 250 at an unbeatable price as well. Even after my chat with Bob at the factory i don't think I will be able to beat the price I am going to get the 250 for.
Looks like I will go with the 250 and just do the house and the DHW and not worry about the pole barn. I have an old wood stove in the barn that will take the edge off on the cold days without a problem.
Does everyone think the 250 will be enough for 3700 sq ft with 2 furnaces and DHW? I would like to be able to heat a hot tub in the future as well.
I am currently kicking myself because I COULD have had the 325G for an unbeatable price but I was dragging my feet making the decision to replace the homemade boiler and missed on that deal. However, I still have the opportunity to purchase the NCB 250 at an unbeatable price as well. Even after my chat with Bob at the factory i don't think I will be able to beat the price I am going to get the 250 for.
Looks like I will go with the 250 and just do the house and the DHW and not worry about the pole barn. I have an old wood stove in the barn that will take the edge off on the cold days without a problem.
Does everyone think the 250 will be enough for 3700 sq ft with 2 furnaces and DHW? I would like to be able to heat a hot tub in the future as well.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / First OWB purchase
« on: April 09, 2012, 08:12:50 AM »
So we have a homemade wood boiler that is just not cutting the mustard any more so we are going to upgrade. I am looking at the following boilers and would like to get some opinions as well as possible owner reviews on the stoves I am interested in. We are heating 3700 sq ft 2 story home with a full basement. We also heat the DHW and would liek to look into running the dryer off the boiler also. In the future I will heat my pole barn with it which is a 3 car garage with a small 10x20 shop area on one end in addition to the house.
I am currently looking into the Natures Comfort 325G or NCB 250 and the Earth Woodsman 400 and the Mountain man 500
Please let me know if you own one of these stoves, or have owned these stoves. I would also really like to know if you are in my area and have one so I can come and see it and talk to you about it in person. I am in Southern, Indiana.
Thanks ahead of time!
I am currently looking into the Natures Comfort 325G or NCB 250 and the Earth Woodsman 400 and the Mountain man 500
Please let me know if you own one of these stoves, or have owned these stoves. I would also really like to know if you are in my area and have one so I can come and see it and talk to you about it in person. I am in Southern, Indiana.
Thanks ahead of time!
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