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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Does any boiler out there fit all of these needs?
« on: January 31, 2013, 10:12:57 PM »
Couple of things.
Scott you keep insisting you have to babysit a Garn for 2 hours. That may be true for the initial burn when the tank is cold to get the water heated up to 180, but after that it's a matter of loading 50-100 lbs. of wood into the boiler and walking away. I would say 10-15 min. max. because first you have to get a decent fire going before you can really load it up.
The biggest pain is starting a fire every time because no matter how much wood you throw into a Garn it is completely eaten in 3-4 hours...no idling and no holding back the fire so no coals left alive. With the help of a propane torch and some kindling even starting a fire doesn't take much time.
As for the UL/CSA sure as sh*t Garn has that designation or they wouldn't be crossing the border.
The EPA testing is completely bogus and pretty much all the wood boiler companies already know this. Thought that conversation has been run through on here a couple of times??? Even the EPA acknowledges this and has suspended their testing proceedures until they can figure out a legitimate "real world" test for wood boilers. Never mind the claims of 95% efficiency and the stickers plastered to the boiler like medals and look at the actual emissions numbers.
Scott you keep insisting you have to babysit a Garn for 2 hours. That may be true for the initial burn when the tank is cold to get the water heated up to 180, but after that it's a matter of loading 50-100 lbs. of wood into the boiler and walking away. I would say 10-15 min. max. because first you have to get a decent fire going before you can really load it up.
The biggest pain is starting a fire every time because no matter how much wood you throw into a Garn it is completely eaten in 3-4 hours...no idling and no holding back the fire so no coals left alive. With the help of a propane torch and some kindling even starting a fire doesn't take much time.
As for the UL/CSA sure as sh*t Garn has that designation or they wouldn't be crossing the border.
The EPA testing is completely bogus and pretty much all the wood boiler companies already know this. Thought that conversation has been run through on here a couple of times??? Even the EPA acknowledges this and has suspended their testing proceedures until they can figure out a legitimate "real world" test for wood boilers. Never mind the claims of 95% efficiency and the stickers plastered to the boiler like medals and look at the actual emissions numbers.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Does any boiler out there fit all of these needs?
« on: January 31, 2013, 11:10:51 AM »Matty,
You don't need to believe it. Talk to any Garn owner and see what they have to say or better yet go see one operate. Fact is their emissions are already lower than the proposed EPA 3 limits. Don't own one myself but if I had the bucks it would be no contest.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Does any boiler out there fit all of these needs?
« on: January 29, 2013, 08:17:32 PM »You didn't mention anything about cost.....so I would suggest you look at a Garn which in my opinion is the best wood boiler going. www.garn.com It has 2000 gallons of water storage onboard so one fire a day is all that is needed, does not smoke and no creosote. Beat that!
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: portage of main ?
« on: January 18, 2013, 03:39:41 AM »Hate to say it but that is exactly why you need a boiler return protection valve like a Danfoss 3-way mixing valve. Empyre now makes these mandatory with every boiler purchase or warranty is void. Keeps return temp. above 140 F. and avoids boiler shock in that precise location.
Let us know what P+M does for him. Posting on here will grab their attention!
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Sawdust
« on: January 09, 2013, 09:48:34 PM »
I saw both units at a trade show in Virginia and I.M.H.O. the P+M unit is a joke compared to the Bio-Burner. It looks like P+M spent a weekend re-jigging a wood boiler to burn chips so that they could compete in that market. No comparison in technology as the Bio-Burner is solely designed to burn biomass and has a propane ignition system, cyclonic combustion and exhaust system. Don't know where you're located but if you get a chance to check one out do so. I was really impressed with this product and when my wood choppng days are over I'd like to give the BB-100 a go.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Sawdust
« on: January 09, 2013, 11:13:21 AM »I think the BB-500 has an output of 500,000 btu/hr. enough to heat 30,000 sq. ft.
What are you trying to heat? I think that unit costs around $36,0000 + $5000 for the hopper.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Sawdust
« on: January 08, 2013, 05:36:42 PM »You might want to take a look at the Bio-Burner.
http://www.leiprod.com/leiproducts/
It will burn wood chips, pellets, sawdust and just about any other biomass waste judging by their videos on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/user/LEIProducts?feature=watch
Half the price of the P+M burner I believe.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: quandry
« on: May 28, 2012, 12:30:42 PM »
With the gasifiers temp. of the flue gas is generally around 250-300 F. With my Empyre Pro I can actually put my hand in the last path of the heat exchanger before it goes vertical up the chimney. This is about the min. temp any wood boiler can exhaust at to avoid condensation in the flue. If you can siphon some of that heat off "after" it has exited the chimney I don't see a problem with using it for other purposes but don't interfere with it till it exits the 4 foot stack or you may create a problem and possibly void your warranty.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Im getting a owb!
« on: May 23, 2012, 06:17:05 PM »
Hate to pee on your parade but if that Global Hydronics unit is 7 years old it may not have much life left in it. Seen a few of those around B.C. and Alberta and they generally last 8-10 years at tops before they are rusted out. Some are finished in 6 years. Hope you got a steal!
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: quandry
« on: May 23, 2012, 05:29:23 PM »I would consider the outdoor Pro-Fab Empyre Pro boilers, pretty hassle free to run and gasifiers to boot so they use a lot less wood. Plus they have the heat exchange tubes running horizontally front to back so pretty easy to clean. I've been using mine for 3 winters now and have had no issues burning pine, fir and spruce. I can load it to the gills and get a longer burn but I prefer to burn half loads so I generally visit her twice per day. Good luck with your choice but remember to buy Canadian!
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Portage & Main after 18 months
« on: April 28, 2012, 09:26:27 PM »Can't quite let this pass unchallenged. Brian may be an o.k. guy to have as a friend but he's a pr*ck to do business with. I invested $25,000 in P+M product only to find Brian as the distributor selling directly to a customer a few miles away at a price so far below list I couldn't even come close to matching it. Ask Brian about his well established dealer network....non-existant. Sour grapes you say?? Check around, his poor reputation in the industry amongst dealers is well known. God helped me get rid of the P+M product.
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