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Natures Comfort / Re: Support Natures comfort
« on: June 24, 2009, 11:37:42 AM »
Mike
The Nature's Comfort boiler is not a gasification unit. If you are selling these as a gasification model then you are lying to your customers plain and simple. You better check what gasification is before you say that you are selling them. It's not even UL listed. Having the chimney extending 2' down into the fire box does not make it gasification. It make it so the heat goes straight up and out the chimney. I lived through it for a whole year and it won't happen next year.
Natures Comfort is not even in the discussion with the top boilers. That is why it is not listed with them!
The Nature's Comfort boiler is not a gasification unit. If you are selling these as a gasification model then you are lying to your customers plain and simple. You better check what gasification is before you say that you are selling them. It's not even UL listed. Having the chimney extending 2' down into the fire box does not make it gasification. It make it so the heat goes straight up and out the chimney. I lived through it for a whole year and it won't happen next year.
Natures Comfort is not even in the discussion with the top boilers. That is why it is not listed with them!
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Nature's comfort
« on: March 03, 2009, 06:45:49 AM »
There is no way I could ever get that kind of a burn time while using the same stove you are. If the outside temp was around 40 through the night it may be about the same but it would still not have half a load left. What size home are you heating again?
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Can you buy too big?
« on: March 03, 2009, 06:35:20 AM »
You absolutely need to go with the larger size for it to work properly in this situation. If you don't you will most likely be looking to upgrade next year. Woodmaster makes a great product but I would not trust it to handle a 4000 SF home. Go with the 5500 and you will not regret it. If you go with the 4400 start cutting wood because you'll need a lot.
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Natures Comfort / Re: New Installation
« on: March 03, 2009, 06:21:00 AM »
Mike
Your problems with your NC-175 sound just like mine only you have yet to go through the whole heating season yet. I have already gone through 40 face cords of wood and I'm thinking of changing back to oil to close out the season. Every single morning that it is not unseasonably warm my temp in the boiler is 30-40 degrees below what it is set at. The boiler spends all morning trying to recover. When it's cold I load more than my typical 3x per day because I need to start with such small wood just to get it going. I have had several heating experts look at my situation and have replaced several things on the boiler itself but nothing seams to work. After buying the boiler I have spent several hundred dollars just trying to make it work like it should.
On some cold days I let the inside oil boiler heat the water up inside and in the OWB boiler to give it a chance for the rest of the day. This has been a very frustrating winter to say the least.
PS I'm trying to heat a 2000 SF home with a stove approved for 4000 SF and it's not even coming close to working.
Your problems with your NC-175 sound just like mine only you have yet to go through the whole heating season yet. I have already gone through 40 face cords of wood and I'm thinking of changing back to oil to close out the season. Every single morning that it is not unseasonably warm my temp in the boiler is 30-40 degrees below what it is set at. The boiler spends all morning trying to recover. When it's cold I load more than my typical 3x per day because I need to start with such small wood just to get it going. I have had several heating experts look at my situation and have replaced several things on the boiler itself but nothing seams to work. After buying the boiler I have spent several hundred dollars just trying to make it work like it should.
On some cold days I let the inside oil boiler heat the water up inside and in the OWB boiler to give it a chance for the rest of the day. This has been a very frustrating winter to say the least.
PS I'm trying to heat a 2000 SF home with a stove approved for 4000 SF and it's not even coming close to working.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Nature's comfort
« on: February 21, 2009, 08:28:33 AM »
The reason why I changed the pump and everything else that I did is because that is what the manufacture recommended. It sounds like your boiler holds a lot more wood than mine increasing the burn times. I also have been loading the wood in the front of the boiler trying to keep the fire away from the chimney that is about 3/4 of the way back in the middle of the stove. I get so many sparks coming out of the chimney that I will be a little worried when the snow melts. I'm looking forward to the heating season ending as I have used over 40 some face cords of wood this year and I'm not done yet! My next mission is to find a good boiler for next year.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Nature's comfort
« on: February 19, 2009, 10:41:03 AM »
Thanks for the input. My boiler is about 60-70 feet from the house. I have it buried about 2-3 feet under ground with foam wrapped insulated pipe. My boiler temp averages about 5-7 degrees above what the inside boiler temp is. It's great that you are getting such long burn times. Even with the warm weather the longest burn time I can get is about 10 hours, but that is very rare. The only thing that I can think of is that I am heating with in-floor radiant heat and that there is too much water to heat for the OWB to keep up. I think that although the boiler is approved for 4000 SF and I'm only trying to heat 2000 SF that it may in fact be to small to handle the job. There is a possibility that I never did need to change the pump because it did not improve my situation at all. Actually all the things that I have done have not worked so replacing anything may not be necessary at all. At this point I don't see where I have a choice but to replace it with a larger size. I like the idea of the Central Boiler getting 24-hour burn times. Almost seams to good to be true. How much do you open the flapper on your blower Steve?
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: OWB Loading Gear
« on: February 18, 2009, 11:40:38 AM »
Something that has helped me is having one of the hats with a headlamp attached (or clip on light). It keeps your hands free for loading wood in the dark.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / EPA regulations
« on: January 29, 2009, 01:10:39 PM »
Does anyone know what will happen to all of us who do not have EPA approved boilers if they pass a law making them mandatory. I'm thinking of replacing my ineffective unit but don't want to spend the extra for a gasification unit unless my state (NY) forces me to. I would think they would grandfather us but I don't want to be wrong and need to buy gasification down the road anyway. Any thoughts?
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Nature's comfort
« on: January 28, 2009, 07:29:12 AM »
I try to keep the boiler @ 160 but that is very hard to do. When I get up in the morning it is about 100-120. We usually need to turn the inside boiler on for about an hour or two to get the temp in the boiler and the house back up to normal. We have the draft blower open about a 1/4" per the manufactures recomendation. If we open it any more all the heat blows right out the chimney. You can see the fire coming right out the top in the evening. We tryed using coal with the optional shaker grate but that did not work much better. I think that the boiler is well made but it has some design flaws that need to be addressed.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Nature's comfort
« on: January 27, 2009, 10:58:44 AM »
I have a NC 185 and I have not been very happy with it. Per the owners suggestion I have replaced the pump (to small) the aqua stat, insulated the bottom, placed a piece of steel over most of the chimney (to much heat loss through the chimney) and it still goes through way to much wood. I fill it 3 times per day and I'm trying to heat a 2000 SF house and it's approved for a 4000SF house. I fill it @ 9PM and there is hardly any coals left @ 7 AM the next day. They want me to buy the next size up but at this point I think I want to cut my losses and find a better boiler that will do what it should do. Any suggestions?
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