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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Should I buy a Woodmaster???

« on: March 31, 2009, 11:20:07 AM »

After having owned one I can give you about 100 reasons not to buy one and only one reason to buy. The freeze up issue, yes you can antifreeze the system however if you have checked on the current price of biodegradable antifreeze, I think you will find purchasing enough to do an OWB is cost prohibitive.  And as for draining down the system, that's a pain in the butt because to be sure you must blow out the lines also and you will lose all your boiler chemicals. I was dead serious about the the wood consumption, in my case it was just a ridicules amount. Yes my house heats hard but if you have new well insulated energy efficient house then why do want to mess with wood heat anyway. As for all the wood mess being outside I'll say this a mess is still there and you still have to keep it cleaned up. You are constantly tied down because you have to be there to feed it. One thing that hasn't been discussed is installed price opposed to to the on the lot dealer price. Along with the boiler you will need the underground pipe, the pump or pumps if more than one zone, also all the heat exchangers, valves and other hardware. Unless you are capable of doing all the install yourself then you must hire someone to do it for you. This can turn a $6000 boiler into $9000 system quicker than you think. I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with an OWB if that's what you want, just make sure it is before you spend your money. The one and only good thing is the fire safety issue. No one suckered me into buying anything, did that stupid mistake all by myself.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Should I buy a Woodmaster???

« on: March 30, 2009, 07:28:37 PM »

AirForcePOL  I know you think I am a real ass and so does Willie. You didn't listen to me in the last post and I am sure you won't this time, but here goes anyway. Make sure you know what you are getting your self into before you spend your money. Number one have you ever cut a lot of wood ? Go out and cut a truck load and I don't mean an S10 chevy load either, I'm talking a 3/4 ton truck,all you can stack on it. Now go do this 30 more times and you have enough to get you through the winter. Also know that you have to feed the stove whether you want to or not or it will freeze up. If you get sick like the flu, tough, you still have to feed it. If you want to go somewhere in the winter, tough, someone has to feed the stove. If you run short on wood,tough,you still have to feed the stove, You said you wanted a warentee when you talked to me but in the above post you said you heard the warentee wasn't any good anyway. Well I never had to use the warentee but I am a welder by trade so I probably wouldn't have called them anyway. If the dealer is trying to sell you that cheapo bubble wraped pipe for $3.00 a foot, you better re think that. Good foam insulated under ground pipe run's between $9.00 and $13.00 a foot depending on where you buy it. Ross told you the truth about the unit's being welded on the outside and not the inside, I really don't know why they do it this way. This does not mean it will leak. All of these OWB's are basically the same, nothing more than a tank welded inside of another tank with a door. You build a fire and heat up water. Your Question about the fan, yes the fan comes on to rise the water temp to the preset you have programed into the electronic control. This stuff isn't rocket science, you build a fire and heat water. They are all over priced in my opinion. This is low tech stuff. Most of the people that buy one would be better off spending the money on insulation, better windows,a high efficiency furnace or what ever. The items I just mentioned will raise the value of your home. An outdoor boiler rising the value is questionable at best. And on one last note,no one is going to ban more insulation or better windows in your house. Probably a lot less arguments with the wife on how the money was spent too. One  final note, if you want to heat a house , a garage and a driveway, you better get a lot bigger unit than the 4400.     

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: should i stay away from used?

« on: March 23, 2009, 01:10:37 PM »

I had a pretty good idea you didn't want it when it was a weekend and you didn't want to come see it and didn't ask for directions so you could come at a later date. Not a problem , like I said I haven't even advertised it locally yet. But a lot of people read this forum and they need to know that used does not always mean junk. Someone is going to get a good boiler for a lot less than new retail price. I still have the invoice, with all the extra's was $6400 in when I bought it and I know they have went up in price since then. As far as that sensor is concerned it's probably under $50 but I am going to replace it anyway.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: should i stay away from used?

« on: March 23, 2009, 11:29:32 AM »

Boy I don't know about that AirForcePOL I bought a new chevy truck in1979 and it was the worst vehicle I've ever owned. My problem was not with you, I knew the day you called that you didn't want it. My beef was people saying that there must be something wrong with it just because its used when none of them has seen it. When a guy hasn't seen something he has no idea of it's condition. You really would not believe some of the people I have tried  to deal with on this. The problem is the economy is in so bad a shape that nobody has any money. If you can believe this one guy even asked me if he could make payments on it. I thought Jesus man I sympathize with your situation but I,m not a financial institution.   

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: should i stay away from used?

« on: March 23, 2009, 09:59:55 AM »

Hey doc it's your money. Doesn't  bother me I wouldn't let someone tell me what to buy either. My personal feelings about a warantee  is you may as well wipe your butt with them. Trying to get anything out of one is like pulling teeth, buy a new car and try to get the dealership to do anything. I fought with one over a transmission until the time ran out and never did get it fixed

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: should i stay away from used?

« on: March 23, 2009, 08:06:54 AM »

PhinPhan  Nope wouldn't be any point in it , most all the air goes over the fire on an outdoor wood boiler and you just have to put the air under a coal fire. I purchased a wood coal combo inside boiler with shaker grate's and under fire air supply. I then bought a ton and a half of coal to get on through the winter. I do still want the option to burn wood if coal becomes unavailable. But at this point in time I can tell you that it's so much better and so much easier that it's an easy decision to make. As cheap as I can buy coal, I can't hardly cut wood any cheaper. One more thing that bothers me about OWB's is that they are being legislated right out of existence.  These things are on the road going out not the one coming in. Seems like every other day you see another article, news clip etc. about them being banned or made to be some ridicules distance from the property line or some unrealistic chimney height. Even though I don't agree with legislating something out of existence, it's going to happen, just a matter of time. I suppose the same thing can happen to coal but inside boilers are not attacked on the same scale as OWB's   

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: should i stay away from used?

« on: March 23, 2009, 05:18:03 AM »

Well Willie I wasn't I wasn't trying to pick a fight with you. You are just wrong about buying something used and you are wrong about me. My point was to not pass judgment on on something you have not personally seen and contrary to popular opinion not every one is dishonest. As for the knowledge end the guy that called me didn't know that he needed a water to air HX instead of a water to water until I told him. I have burned wood for 35yrs so yes I know about cutting wood.  This was just my first out side unit and after a season and a half I decided it was not for me. As far as buying used boilers  boiler go over to the coal burners forum, those guys buy used all the time with very few problems. As for the price that $1700 difference he quoted isn't even close considering the extra's that come with mine. I don't even have it listed locally yet but when heating season for next year comes around and people figure out they have to wait to get one I won't have any trouble selling. Maybe I just rub people the wrong way but I had a guy all the way from Michigan call me long distance to tell me he didn't like the model I am selling and wants a different brand, so if you can figure people out then your one up on me.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: should i stay away from used?

« on: March 22, 2009, 08:17:06 PM »

 Willie you didn't read the add either , if you had you would know it's a Woodmaster 4400 and comes with the grate and auger system, extra chimney, rain cap and 2 heat exchangers for $4500. He said he had forced air so I said I would keep the big HX and take $4000. In the above post I said I don't want to cut that much wood, I also don't like going out in the cold to load. A I have found access to coal I really want to quit altogether. Telling someone not to buy a used boiler you have not seen is no different than telling someone not to buy a used car you have not seen, the bottom line is you have not seen it so you don't know. This is a good boiler and I am asking a fair price. What I said above stands, if you don't know and you haven't seen it then you are not qualified to give advice.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: should i stay away from used?

« on: March 22, 2009, 05:52:00 PM »

Bad advice guys. How do I know this ? Because I am the guy selling it. If he had read the ad and ask me any Question I would have been glad to answer. Also he only lives 2 hrs away, not along drive to look at something. This boiler is just as good as new. It has a bad sensor on the water level indicator , thats all and I plan to replace this so the next guy that calls I can tell him it's perfect. The reason I am selling it is number one it burns to much wood for me, I'm 62 yrs old and don't want to cut that much wood.  Also I can buy coal for $48 bucks a ton in Indiana , a 1 1/2 hr drive for me. This unit looks new on the outside and I cleaned up the inside where it's almost as clean as it came. Please don't give advice on something you know nothing about. I don't care if he buys it or not, it's his loss. If I have to hang on to it until fall the price is going up.