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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: pipes hot pumps not on??
« on: October 28, 2013, 07:26:04 PM »
Hey Slim could you explain to me how a spring check works. I was thinking it was kinda like a backflow preventer but that wouldn't work because the water is gravity feeding the correct way. Its it a valve that opens under a certain amount of pressure? If so is that pressure setting adjustable? I have found them online so I know what they look like just not sure how they work. Thanks for the reply. I appreciate your time. :thumbup:

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: pipes hot pumps not on??
« on: October 27, 2013, 06:46:30 PM »
What do you guys think about just adding a zone valve? I was thinking about plumping it in just after the the "T" for the loop pump on the hot side. I think the water is "ghost flowing" the same direction that the water flows with the pump on so I'm not sure a check valve would work. What do you guys think?

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: pipes hot pumps not on??
« on: October 27, 2013, 07:50:02 AM »
Slim I found a spring check valve but I dont know what a heat trap is. Is it the same idea as a plumbing "P" trap plumbed into the piping? I let the system run as it wants all night and its up to 72. I dont think the circulating pump every ran. Its got to be doing this "ghost flow". All the registers are warm and there hasn't been a call for heat all night. I am kinda surprised though. I thought the loop pump would have disrupted the flow enough to stop any kind of gravity flow. Guess not. Where would be the best place to plumb in a spring check or a heat trap? Are there any other possibility's?  Thank you for the replies. I appreciate it!

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: pipes hot pumps not on??
« on: October 26, 2013, 10:08:15 PM »
wow. not sure why they're sideways....sorry guys. :bash:

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: pipes hot pumps not on??
« on: October 26, 2013, 10:06:13 PM »
maybe pictures?

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: pipes hot pumps not on??
« on: October 26, 2013, 09:55:23 PM »
willie. The shell is plumbed into the cold side of the boiler system. My two loops (one from upstairs and one from downstairs) join together into 1 1/4 copper then strait into the top of the shell. The hx has a 1 1/2 90 on the bottom off it right into the boiler. The hot water from the OWB is plumbed into the lower nipple on the side of the hx and heads back to the OWB through the upper nipple on the side. Does that answer your question? I'm sorry if I miss understood.  Scott, I bought the shell and tube last year from by dealer. That is what she told me CB wanted people to use for HX. Cause they dont plug up like the plate style. ::) Its water under the bridge at this point I guess. Live and learn.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / pipes hot pumps not on??
« on: October 26, 2013, 09:12:17 PM »
Hello everyone! So I got the wood stove fired up today for the first time after fixing an incorrect plumbing job and I thought all was going well....but its not. I have my OWB plumbed into my existing propane boiler system via a shell and tube HX. I'm running a circulating pump 24/7 in a small loop through the HX and the propane boiler to keep the water in the boiler hot so the propane doesn't light, instead when the house calls for heat the circulating pump for the propane system kicks on and pumps the water through the house. All of that seems to be working correctly, however, the heat registers are always hot! I have the thermostat set at 62 and the house is 70! The house circulating pump is not running, just the small loop pump. I dont understand. Is it possible that the warm water is rising and circulating the way the old gravity systems used to work? I'm really at a loss here. Thanks guys. Sorry for the long post. I'm gonna try and get some pictures up.

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Plumbing / Re: pump size with 3/4 lines
« on: October 16, 2013, 08:53:19 PM »
it is a regular size hx. I'm thinking I'm just gonna get a 11

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Plumbing / Re: pump size with 3/4 lines
« on: October 15, 2013, 09:13:32 PM »
Scott is there a different brand that you would recommend that might work better? I have no problem with Taco but I'm not loyal either. Just wondering. Thanks everyone for your replies  :thumbup:

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Plumbing / Re: pump size with 3/4 lines
« on: October 15, 2013, 08:52:07 PM »
Sorry Willie I should have been more clear. That is a total length not just half. Thank you for asking

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Plumbing / Re: pump size with 3/4 lines
« on: October 15, 2013, 08:50:53 PM »
ok. I'm hoping to heat a two story 2200 sq. ft. home with base board heat. I would say its insulated between ok and well. Its 19 years old. I live in Northwest Pa. in the snow belt. Does this help?

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Plumbing / Re: pump size with 3/4 lines
« on: October 15, 2013, 08:29:31 PM »
dang it. I was afraid of that. It wouldnt help me at all to change just the pex type pipe to 1" pex would it? I'd need to change it all over to 1" to see a change correct? Thank you for the reply regardless. I appreciate it.

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Plumbing / pump size with 3/4 lines
« on: October 15, 2013, 07:52:04 PM »
I've got a CB 1400 with approx. 60' of pex like pipe. and 60' of copper pipe. 20, 90 degree elbows, a shell and tube hx and a 20 plate hx. I know the 3/4 pipe isn't the best set up however, its what i have to work with right now. I can't find any charts to help me with sizing a system with 3/4 lines ( I'm sure for good reason) could you guys help me out at all? I would be happy to supply more info if needed. I have a taco 009 sitting around that just needs a new insert if that will work. Thanks!

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: I'm in over my head here.
« on: February 05, 2013, 09:00:30 PM »
I was thinking the same thing about the 15-58. I think I might put it on the OWS just to see how much difference it makes. I should run it on high I assume? Still have the other "big" problems to fix too. I'll have to look into the aquastat. I think I understand whats going on there but I wouldn't know were to hook up the thermostat wires (i'm assuming thats what gets hooked to it) My very steep learning curve continues. haha.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: I'm in over my head here.
« on: February 05, 2013, 08:37:17 PM »
Scott this is my plan with the circulating pump.  http://www.centralboiler.com/Tech/C220.pdf  I'm hoping that by circulating the water through the hx and into the boiler 24/7 than when the house calls for heat the boiler will just kick on the house circulating pump and not fire the propane. I'm not sure what a ranco is though....is that a type of pump? I have have a taco 007 on the OWS now, I now know that is to small so I could use that as the pump or I have two Groundfos UPS 15 58 fc. I could use one of those??

RSI I'm not sure how using the aquastat is going to work? I'm not doubting your suggestion. I just need it explained to me.  :-[ Wouldn't the aquastat let the water in the boiler cool down thus kicking on the propane to heat the water in the boiler? Also I didn't look real close at the tubes in the hx but I would say they are about the size of a pencil and there where 10 or so of them in there.

intheoaks I dont know enough about this stuff to say for sure whats better or worse but for the money I payed for this over sized piece of copper it had better work!  :o If I could do it over I would have got a plate style but were past that...

You guys are awesome. Thanks again  :thumbup:

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