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Plumbing / Re: Underground pipe options
« on: April 26, 2013, 06:55:07 PM »
Thanks for the information. Any other input is appreciated. Double tile seems to be a cheap insurance.
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Plumbing / Underground pipe options
« on: April 18, 2013, 02:01:48 PM »
I am looking for advice and opinions on what to do for an underground pipe. I am new to this OWF world, and I have read old threads, but I am still not sure what to choos. I will probably need about 100' of pipe, so it won't be cheap. My land is also generally pretty rocky and has several sections with bedrock (my house has all it's footings on bedrock).
I have seen that there are numerous options, including Logstor, Thermoplex, 3-wrap, 5-wrap, and I even found this stuff:
http://www.heatlink.com/en/product/138]- [url]http://www.heatlink.com/en/product/138[/url]
What are the pros and cons? Obviously, cost is an issue, but I'd rather spend more now to save more in the long run. In other words I am looking for the best bang for the buck, but I want mimimal heat loss and maximum durability.
I have also talked to someone in my area that made there own line. He just used pex and solid foam insulation. He has had is furnace for 15+ years with no issues, but I am not sure what his heat loss is. He hasn't measured it but claims it doesn't melt the snow.
I am in Ontario, Canada so any one who can point me to dealers of the products is appreciated. Also, how deep is the pipe typically buried?
I have seen that there are numerous options, including Logstor, Thermoplex, 3-wrap, 5-wrap, and I even found this stuff:
http://www.heatlink.com/en/product/138]- [url]http://www.heatlink.com/en/product/138[/url]
What are the pros and cons? Obviously, cost is an issue, but I'd rather spend more now to save more in the long run. In other words I am looking for the best bang for the buck, but I want mimimal heat loss and maximum durability.
I have also talked to someone in my area that made there own line. He just used pex and solid foam insulation. He has had is furnace for 15+ years with no issues, but I am not sure what his heat loss is. He hasn't measured it but claims it doesn't melt the snow.
I am in Ontario, Canada so any one who can point me to dealers of the products is appreciated. Also, how deep is the pipe typically buried?
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Need Advice on OWB - New User
« on: April 08, 2013, 08:18:23 AM »
Maybe I will have to get a professional for that part of the install. The wiring by our existing boiler looks pretty complicated. Our hot water is held in a 60 gallon holding tank. So it kicks on when we use some hot water. The tank is pretty well insulated and holds the heat pretty well.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Need Advice on OWB - New User
« on: April 08, 2013, 07:11:32 AM »
My propane boiler is on demand, and we have multiple zones and it covers the domestic hot water. We have radiant floor for the basement and garage (each independant), a forced ares system for the main level, and the domestic hot water. I wasn't overly worried about the plumbing, more how to wire this all up so the two boilers work together. I am not sure how that works, maybe I will have to pay a professional for that part. It is an NTI Ti 150 boiler. Here is a link to a page with a PDF that has more information:
http://www.hvacforlife.com/gas_boiler_NTI.html
I will probably have to invest in that glycol, because our winters are cold, and we've been away for more than a week sometimes during winter. How much does this stuff cost?
http://www.hvacforlife.com/gas_boiler_NTI.html
I will probably have to invest in that glycol, because our winters are cold, and we've been away for more than a week sometimes during winter. How much does this stuff cost?
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Need Advice on OWB - New User
« on: April 07, 2013, 08:56:41 PM »
I have seen mice burrow into the pink fibreglass doing house renos. They love that stuff, but I would assume that the stoves would use something different from what's in the walls of a house. I wonder why nobody uses a stone wool insulation like Roxul:
http://www.roxul.com/products/residential/roxul+comfortbatt
Is there some sort of antifreeze that can be put in the water for in the winter if you travel and leave the wood boiler off for several days or more?
Also, has anyone on here installed one of these systems with an existing gas boiler? Is it something a DIYer can do, or will this have to be done professionally?
http://www.roxul.com/products/residential/roxul+comfortbatt
Is there some sort of antifreeze that can be put in the water for in the winter if you travel and leave the wood boiler off for several days or more?
Also, has anyone on here installed one of these systems with an existing gas boiler? Is it something a DIYer can do, or will this have to be done professionally?
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Portage & Main / Re: Ultimizer BL 28-40
« on: April 07, 2013, 08:12:03 AM »
I am interested on expert opinions on this stove too. It is one I am seriously considering.
Are P&M's claims true about how much less wood they use comparted to other conventional stoves?
Are P&M's claims true about how much less wood they use comparted to other conventional stoves?
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Need Advice on OWB - New User
« on: April 07, 2013, 08:10:52 AM »
Thanks again for the great advice.
So if water cpacity has no real effect, why is there such a variation is capacities for similar stoves?
What about the fibreglass vs spray foam insulation. P&M and Heatmore stoves say they use fibreglass. Wouldn't this be prone to rodents damaging it, or the heat shrinking it? Spray foam seems good, and I am not sure that I buy the fact that it may promote corrosion by holding moisture against the metal.
So if water cpacity has no real effect, why is there such a variation is capacities for similar stoves?
What about the fibreglass vs spray foam insulation. P&M and Heatmore stoves say they use fibreglass. Wouldn't this be prone to rodents damaging it, or the heat shrinking it? Spray foam seems good, and I am not sure that I buy the fact that it may promote corrosion by holding moisture against the metal.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Need Advice on OWB - New User
« on: April 05, 2013, 10:32:23 AM »
Okay, I have a few more questions.
I noted that the P&M model only has about 90 gallons of water, the Heatmor is about 114, and the Central is 196. Why is there such a difference in the water capacity? Wouldn't more water be better to prevent cycling of the stove?
It seems the Heatmore and P&M have forced draft with fans. Are these fans highly prone to failure? A friend of mine said they fail very often Are they normally covered under warranty? Would a fan draft cause the fire to heat up too quickly and strees the metal, vs a natural draft?
What are your opinions on round vs a square fire box?
Any other advice is appreciated.
Thanks.
I noted that the P&M model only has about 90 gallons of water, the Heatmor is about 114, and the Central is 196. Why is there such a difference in the water capacity? Wouldn't more water be better to prevent cycling of the stove?
It seems the Heatmore and P&M have forced draft with fans. Are these fans highly prone to failure? A friend of mine said they fail very often Are they normally covered under warranty? Would a fan draft cause the fire to heat up too quickly and strees the metal, vs a natural draft?
What are your opinions on round vs a square fire box?
Any other advice is appreciated.
Thanks.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Need Advice on OWB - New User
« on: April 05, 2013, 10:24:54 AM »First season with my Heat Master 5000e and love it! I looked at all the same ones you posted and am happy that I went with Heat Master.
What made you decide on the Heatmaster? What made you choose it over the others? I haven't found anyone in my area who sells them but I will look into it.
Yoderheating,
thanks for the info regarding the differences in Stainless steel.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Need Advice on OWB - New User
« on: April 02, 2013, 08:50:01 PM »
We have a 3 year old home about 1750 sq ft main level and same in the basement, along with a 900 sq foot garage (12' ceilings). The house is currently heated with a NTI Ti 150 propane boiler, forced air for the main level of the house, radiant floor for the basement and garage. The boiler also does the domestic hot water (we have a 60 gallon holding tank). The house is fairly well insulated (R-40+ Attic, R24 exterior walls house and garage). We live in northern Ontario Canada climate and have lots of wind exposure. Propane bills are getting expensive, so I am looking at a OWB to save money in the long term. At this point I am thinking of sticking to a non-gasser stove, to have the ability to burn anything and to keep the stove simple.
I can easily get a Portage and Main, Central Boiler or Heatmor boiler (so far). I was looking at the Portage and Main BL28-40 (new model), the Central Boiler 5036, or the Heatmor 200 CSS. Any opinions or experiences with any of the above?
The new Portage and Main model looks impressive with the brick lined fire box and its claims at burning a high efficiency rates without being a gasser. But it is a new untested model, not sure hoe different it is from the old ML-30.
BL28-40 Outdoor wood furnace by Portage and Main
The Central seems to be a tried and true design. A good friend has had one for 10 years and swears by it. It seems to be an old and proven design, but maybe inefficient.
The Heatmor is stainless steel which sounds good, but then the competitors say that stainless has cracking problems.
How much smoke does a non-gasser produce? Does the chimney's on these hae to be higher than the house peak if the unit is close to the house? We have strong winds, and the location I am thinking will have the house down wind (generally) from the stove. The garage is on this side and is very tall.
I am sure I will have lots more questions as time goes on, looking forward to some discussion.
I can easily get a Portage and Main, Central Boiler or Heatmor boiler (so far). I was looking at the Portage and Main BL28-40 (new model), the Central Boiler 5036, or the Heatmor 200 CSS. Any opinions or experiences with any of the above?
The new Portage and Main model looks impressive with the brick lined fire box and its claims at burning a high efficiency rates without being a gasser. But it is a new untested model, not sure hoe different it is from the old ML-30.
BL28-40 Outdoor wood furnace by Portage and Main
The Central seems to be a tried and true design. A good friend has had one for 10 years and swears by it. It seems to be an old and proven design, but maybe inefficient.
The Heatmor is stainless steel which sounds good, but then the competitors say that stainless has cracking problems.
How much smoke does a non-gasser produce? Does the chimney's on these hae to be higher than the house peak if the unit is close to the house? We have strong winds, and the location I am thinking will have the house down wind (generally) from the stove. The garage is on this side and is very tall.
I am sure I will have lots more questions as time goes on, looking forward to some discussion.
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