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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Could/would/will it work? OWF for a dairy plant
« on: September 11, 2013, 10:20:38 AM »
Good evening Slim, we have quite a time difference. Finland is GMT +2...
You sure have cheap fuels there, in here energy is bit more expensive. Electricity is (yearly consumption of 120MWh) 130€/MWh, wood pellet 50€/MWh, wood chip 35€/MWh. And of cource, heating oil is around 1€/litre, gasoline 1.6€/litre. Current exchange rate is 1€=1.27$. Do the math, now you know why I want cut down on the electricity...
I have thought about the setup all day, I'm quite confident about it. Only thing that concerns me is the amount heat plate exs and pumps that are needed for the installation. We already have more than 10 circulation pumps and 3 plates. More you got equipment, more they break down. Usually in winter and at night
And the price for this is also a key factor. I really don't understand why outdoor boilers aren't used more in europe. Building a boiler room is surprisingly expensive, usually they cost around 500-1000€/m2 (50-100€/sqf) and the amount of building permits/fireproofing/insurances is staggering. I'm really hoping for a good quote on the Enviro 500, I bet my neighbours will be crapting bricks if buy an outdoor boiler. And maybe they will adjust their thinking when they use their calculators...
Thanks for the help, I really hope I can join the "outdoor boiler" -community! Who knows, maybe I can even sell a few...
You sure have cheap fuels there, in here energy is bit more expensive. Electricity is (yearly consumption of 120MWh) 130€/MWh, wood pellet 50€/MWh, wood chip 35€/MWh. And of cource, heating oil is around 1€/litre, gasoline 1.6€/litre. Current exchange rate is 1€=1.27$. Do the math, now you know why I want cut down on the electricity...
I have thought about the setup all day, I'm quite confident about it. Only thing that concerns me is the amount heat plate exs and pumps that are needed for the installation. We already have more than 10 circulation pumps and 3 plates. More you got equipment, more they break down. Usually in winter and at night
And the price for this is also a key factor. I really don't understand why outdoor boilers aren't used more in europe. Building a boiler room is surprisingly expensive, usually they cost around 500-1000€/m2 (50-100€/sqf) and the amount of building permits/fireproofing/insurances is staggering. I'm really hoping for a good quote on the Enviro 500, I bet my neighbours will be crapting bricks if buy an outdoor boiler. And maybe they will adjust their thinking when they use their calculators...
Thanks for the help, I really hope I can join the "outdoor boiler" -community! Who knows, maybe I can even sell a few...
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Could/would/will it work? OWF for a dairy plant
« on: September 10, 2013, 10:37:41 PM »
Hi all and thanks for the replys. Actually yesterday I received a call from Portage and Main, I had sent them an email earlier. Looking forward to receiving a quote on the Envirochip.
I have also looked into the Pelco boiler, I talked to the sales rep last fall and if my memory serves me it was way too expensive (maybe 30k€). Pelco can burn grainsized stuff? Not woodchip etc.
I have also looked into the Pelco boiler, I talked to the sales rep last fall and if my memory serves me it was way too expensive (maybe 30k€). Pelco can burn grainsized stuff? Not woodchip etc.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Could/would/will it work? OWF for a dairy plant
« on: September 10, 2013, 09:59:50 AM »
Hi,
let me first introduce myself, we are a small family owned dairy farm in Finland. We are specialized in making cheeses in our medium sized (finnish scale) dairy. At the moment we use electricity for the production plant, all the cheese vats, pasteurizers etc have water circulation but are heated with coils. I calculated that our average load during production is around 60Amps on all 3 phases, so the bills are quite large...
Now I'm trying to figure out a (affordable) way to use wood instead of electricity. OWF and cord wood is not very popular in Finland, maybe for the lack of knowledge. Usually bioheating in here involves a automated woodchipstokerplantmonster with all the bells and whistles. I am not so keen on those as the prizetag of those is usually around 75k$ and upwards.
Ok, the situation is following. We currently heat our residence and dairyplant with woodpellets (50kW burner/170kBtu) and there is a canal (can only handle 160F) leading to dairyplant. In the dairy there are 2 different accumulator tanks that need hot water and should be connected to the OWF. To the end of that line I'm thinking of putting a 3000 litre accumulator tank that is connected via heat plate exchanger to the canal leading to our existing boiler. All the accumulator tanks will be connected through heat plate exchangers. I wish to preserve the old pelletboiler as a backup and for those days when there is no production going on in the dairy.
Does this sound doable, at all? There is a sales rep for Empyre in Finland.
ps, sorry for the typos and such. I don't get to use english all that much nowadays, my cows only speak finnish.
edit, I noticed those chip burners for OWFs. Are they reliable or affordable?
let me first introduce myself, we are a small family owned dairy farm in Finland. We are specialized in making cheeses in our medium sized (finnish scale) dairy. At the moment we use electricity for the production plant, all the cheese vats, pasteurizers etc have water circulation but are heated with coils. I calculated that our average load during production is around 60Amps on all 3 phases, so the bills are quite large...
Now I'm trying to figure out a (affordable) way to use wood instead of electricity. OWF and cord wood is not very popular in Finland, maybe for the lack of knowledge. Usually bioheating in here involves a automated woodchipstokerplantmonster with all the bells and whistles. I am not so keen on those as the prizetag of those is usually around 75k$ and upwards.
Ok, the situation is following. We currently heat our residence and dairyplant with woodpellets (50kW burner/170kBtu) and there is a canal (can only handle 160F) leading to dairyplant. In the dairy there are 2 different accumulator tanks that need hot water and should be connected to the OWF. To the end of that line I'm thinking of putting a 3000 litre accumulator tank that is connected via heat plate exchanger to the canal leading to our existing boiler. All the accumulator tanks will be connected through heat plate exchangers. I wish to preserve the old pelletboiler as a backup and for those days when there is no production going on in the dairy.
Does this sound doable, at all? There is a sales rep for Empyre in Finland.
ps, sorry for the typos and such. I don't get to use english all that much nowadays, my cows only speak finnish.
edit, I noticed those chip burners for OWFs. Are they reliable or affordable?
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