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Site Suggestions / Re: Cant login
« on: May 14, 2014, 03:42:30 PM »
Many times.
And you checked your spam folder for the email?
Neal
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Site Suggestions / Re: Cant login
« on: May 14, 2014, 10:13:17 AM »
I'm new here and when I was trying to get an account, I could not get one using my gmail or hotmail account. I just never got the verification email. I know that some site ban anyone from using "free" emails so I figure that is what they did here.
I had to dig out my time warner cable email, that I've never used in the 10 years I've had it, used that and wuala I was able to create an account.
Unfortunately, my preferred username (98kx1927) is now tied up with a non existent account that will never go live, but I don't make the rules
I had to dig out my time warner cable email, that I've never used in the 10 years I've had it, used that and wuala I was able to create an account.
Unfortunately, my preferred username (98kx1927) is now tied up with a non existent account that will never go live, but I don't make the rules
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Gassification question
« on: May 13, 2014, 03:43:29 PM »
Here is what I have in my spreadsheet, not sure if it is correct.
20million btu/cord
70% efficiency = 14million usable btu/cord
so ~10% of a cord or ~13 sqft. give or take some rounding errors.
This is one of the things I was looking at. I need a 13 sqft of useable chamber volume to get that much heat in a single load. I've only found a single indoor boiler, Vigas 80 (they do make bigger) with this big of a chamber. All the others Tarm, Froling, Velodux, even the Garn 2000 are too small. Hence my move to see about outdoor boilers.
If I've calculated the incorrectly please let me know.
dave
20million btu/cord
70% efficiency = 14million usable btu/cord
so ~10% of a cord or ~13 sqft. give or take some rounding errors.
This is one of the things I was looking at. I need a 13 sqft of useable chamber volume to get that much heat in a single load. I've only found a single indoor boiler, Vigas 80 (they do make bigger) with this big of a chamber. All the others Tarm, Froling, Velodux, even the Garn 2000 are too small. Hence my move to see about outdoor boilers.
If I've calculated the incorrectly please let me know.
dave
Just out of curiosity, how much wood does it take to output 1.2 million usable btu's?
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Portage & Main / Re: BL vs Optimizer ease of use
« on: May 13, 2014, 11:58:47 AM »
sorry 'bout that.
Use model: recommended way to use the product.
Maintenance, daily, weekly. seasonal?
Loading, firing, etc?
Sorry I tried to give examples for my brothers boiler, as that is all I know. To light it, just load it, hit it with the torch, close the door and walk away. I've read that for some gassers you need to get a bed of coals, then load the rest of the wood, not sure if that is all. Cleaning or turbulators (are they there?), etc.
dave
Use model: recommended way to use the product.
Maintenance, daily, weekly. seasonal?
Loading, firing, etc?
Sorry I tried to give examples for my brothers boiler, as that is all I know. To light it, just load it, hit it with the torch, close the door and walk away. I've read that for some gassers you need to get a bed of coals, then load the rest of the wood, not sure if that is all. Cleaning or turbulators (are they there?), etc.
dave
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Portage & Main / BL vs Optimizer ease of use
« on: May 13, 2014, 07:16:47 AM »
I'm leaning towards a P&M primarily because that is what my brother has had for 5-6 years and it has been a very good unit. He burns 10 cords of wood per year in it and it truly is load the box full, light with a torch (it there are no coals), close the door and walk away. Weekly or so he cleans the ash box. Seasonally does more pm, not sure exactly what it is. He does get a little creosote in the chimney, and the water pump is not making unpleasant noises, but nothing major has happened. No fancy proprietary controls or anything.
This is the simplicity that I would like as well. Burning wood isn't a hobby for me, just a way to use a very cheap fuel source. I have other hobbies that are much more interesting to me
Does the BL have a similar use model? What about the optimizer series? What is the typical use model for each.
Are my expectations completely out of whack?
thanks,
dave
This is the simplicity that I would like as well. Burning wood isn't a hobby for me, just a way to use a very cheap fuel source. I have other hobbies that are much more interesting to me
Does the BL have a similar use model? What about the optimizer series? What is the typical use model for each.
Are my expectations completely out of whack?
thanks,
dave
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Gassification question
« on: May 12, 2014, 01:25:19 PM »
I wish 100k was too high, I've already spent 12k in insulation upgrades to get it to that point. Basically 5 different HVAC installers and myself did the calculations. I used the slantfin program, pretty straightforward. They ranged from 94k to 105k, so I just kind of averaged them.
It is an old leaky house.
dave
It is an old leaky house.
dave
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Gassification question
« on: May 12, 2014, 06:36:54 AM »
That is good to hear. My home is a solid brick 1927 farm house about 3200 sqft. I just had a ton of spray insulation in the attic and encapsulated the crawlspace, it cut my projected heat load by 33%. Since I've never lived there and don't have any heating history for the home, this is all just numbers on a spreadsheet by professionals I'm getting to do the work.
dave
dave
Davep - I have a gasser, it's not a P&M but a Central Boiler E-Classic 1400. I'm heating approx. 3000sqft of a 1840's farmhouse in northern New England. Can you say air leaks? Every 12 hours I put in enough fire wood to go the 12 hours and I never had to fill the firebox. Even on the coldest days/nights we experienced this year, it handled it nicely and kept my house 70 degrees 24/7. I hope this helps. Roger
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Gassification question
« on: May 12, 2014, 04:41:28 AM »
I would love to come to the show, but at the moment I live in TX. I'm still renovating the house.
Yes 100k btu/hr is the heat load for the house on a design day. It is good to hear that this can be done without storage. Which model is that?
thanks
dave
Yes 100k btu/hr is the heat load for the house on a design day. It is good to hear that this can be done without storage. Which model is that?
thanks
dave
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Gassification question
« on: May 11, 2014, 08:37:53 PM »
Hi All,
I'm looking to get a wood boiler for my home in VA. I don't have to get one soon, but within the next three years is my plan. With the entire EPA thing going on, I'm wondering if I don't want a gassification boiler should I buy it now and just store it in the garage until I install it. If I decide on a gassification boiler, then I don't see waiting a few years will hurt in my purchasing decision.
What I want out of a boiler, is to be able to load it with wood, fire it, forget it, and 12 hours later (on a design day) load it and fire it again. I plan to put in storage either way as my heat load for 12 hours at a design day is ~1.2 million BTUs. Why 12 hours, because I need to do the stoking and this is what my schedule needs, so it will cost me a bit more to get it installed, but I will be able to use it. If I cheap out, then it just won't get used and that would be a big waste of $$$.
From my reading of gassification boilers, it seems you have to load a bit, burn for 15-20 minutes to get a bed of coals, load the rest. However, it appears that the total load size of the gassification boilers is smaller than normal non-gas models. Is my perception wrong? I'm looking at Garn, P&M, Heat Masters.
I watched a video on a Garn 2000 and they had to reload the fire box twice to get 50 degrees rise out of the buffer tank, which is about what I would need. I really don't want to have to load, wait for coals, load again, wait for entire burn, load again. That doesn't fit my lazy load burn wait 12 hours plan.
It does seem that the non-gas units have large enough boxes to support this and they seem to be load, burn, return in 12 hours.
Or am I just completely mis-reading things? Completely possible. . .
thanks
dave
I'm looking to get a wood boiler for my home in VA. I don't have to get one soon, but within the next three years is my plan. With the entire EPA thing going on, I'm wondering if I don't want a gassification boiler should I buy it now and just store it in the garage until I install it. If I decide on a gassification boiler, then I don't see waiting a few years will hurt in my purchasing decision.
What I want out of a boiler, is to be able to load it with wood, fire it, forget it, and 12 hours later (on a design day) load it and fire it again. I plan to put in storage either way as my heat load for 12 hours at a design day is ~1.2 million BTUs. Why 12 hours, because I need to do the stoking and this is what my schedule needs, so it will cost me a bit more to get it installed, but I will be able to use it. If I cheap out, then it just won't get used and that would be a big waste of $$$.
From my reading of gassification boilers, it seems you have to load a bit, burn for 15-20 minutes to get a bed of coals, load the rest. However, it appears that the total load size of the gassification boilers is smaller than normal non-gas models. Is my perception wrong? I'm looking at Garn, P&M, Heat Masters.
I watched a video on a Garn 2000 and they had to reload the fire box twice to get 50 degrees rise out of the buffer tank, which is about what I would need. I really don't want to have to load, wait for coals, load again, wait for entire burn, load again. That doesn't fit my lazy load burn wait 12 hours plan.
It does seem that the non-gas units have large enough boxes to support this and they seem to be load, burn, return in 12 hours.
Or am I just completely mis-reading things? Completely possible. . .
thanks
dave
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