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[schoppy]

Your price per kilowatt isn't that bad but your delivery charge is high. I have a rural coop serving my electric and I am on peak/off peak rates with my peak at 25.1 cents / KWH and 6.4 cents/KWH off peak. My facility charge, your delivery charge, runs about $1.00 per day where yours looks like it is over $3.00 per day. My peak rates October through May are only 5-8 pm Monday through Friday and 1-8 pm Monday through Friday the rest of the year. I have everything I can on timers so they don't run during peak hours along with set back T-stats.

The electric rates for the utility I work for run 10.5 to 13 cents per KWH depending on the plan. Our facility charge just took a jump from about $8 per month to about $15 per month. The facility or delivery charges are supposed to represent the cost to get power to the customers and the farther customers are spread out the higher the charge.   

[kommandokenny]

Your price per kilowatt isn't that bad but your delivery charge is high. I have a rural coop serving my electric and I am on peak/off peak rates with my peak at 25.1 cents / KWH and 6.4 cents/KWH off peak. My facility charge, your delivery charge, runs about $1.00 per day where yours looks like it is over $3.00 per day. My peak rates October through May are only 5-8 pm Monday through Friday and 1-8 pm Monday through Friday the rest of the year. I have everything I can on timers so they don't run during peak hours along with set back T-stats.

The electric rates for the utility I work for run 10.5 to 13 cents per KWH depending on the plan. Our facility charge just took a jump from about $8 per month to about $15 per month. The facility or delivery charges are supposed to represent the cost to get power to the customers and the farther customers are spread out the higher the charge.

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Upper new york state gets it's Hydro from ontario,, yet the customers in new york, pay on average, ,1/2 of what we here in ontario pay...........can we borrow trump for a few weeks?

[willieG]

yes Kenny, I just take the total, taxes and all, divide the total by the KWH and that is the "real" cost of the electricity

That does not work if you are trying to calculate what a particular appliance costs to run. Say you have something using 200 watts 24/7. If you figure that way you would say it cost about $34 per month. If you turn off the device you will not save $34. It will just make your per KWH rate calculation higher for what you did use.

Or another way to look at it, say you turned off everything and ended up only using 1 KWH for the month. Would you say it was correct to use the total bill amount and claim the power rate was that per KWH?

the whole bill is a sham  your actual cost per kwh is about 5 cents more than they show. there are three costs in the delivery rate ...Volume charge of 3.74 cents per kwh, .44 cents per kwh for a "connection charge and .62 cents per kwh for something dreamed up as a Network charge, also on the bill komando posted you will see at the bottom they show a savings as they have removed the debt retirement charge...they did not remove it they just put it in the delivery charge  but tell you each month how nice they are since they removed it. I used 168 dollars in electricity  but my bill total was 369, If I sent in only a check for 168 dollars I bet I would have no electricity in a month or a collection agency at my door

if you paid 1 dollar a gallon for gas and got 20 mile to the gallon would you say it costs 1 dollar to drive 20 miles or would you say (after taking off the government road tax, any state tax and any other charges that amounted to 50 cents that you now can drive that 20 miles for 50 cents? I know what you are saying but my total cost for electricity is what it is no matter how you look at it and yes I have a property where I use no electricity for months at a time (very little) I have seen a bill  for about 60 dollars for 20 kwh  so tht month it averages out to 3 dollars per kwh to have that meter at the pole (again not the cost of the kwh in actual cost but that is what I had to pay the company that sells it to me we pay dearly for the convenience and there are no other providers.

[RSI]

They like to do the large fixed fees and lower per kwh charges to discourage solar panel use. That way if you are connected to the grid and make as much power as you use, they still get half their money and don't have to supply any power.

[aarmga]

I'm glad alliant energy doesn't do things this way.  13 dollars meter fee and 5 dollar distribution fee no
Matter what gets used.

[schoppy]

No one likes the service or fixed charges but would any of us like to pay the cost of the poles, lines, transformers and all the rest of the equipment needed to get power to our homes by ourselves? I have known a couple of people that thought they could generate their own power cheaper than buying from a utility. Within 2 months they were back on the grid because it was way too costly generating power themselves.

WillieG you mentioned the cost of gas to drive 20 miles. You make a good analogy, think of the gas as the electricity and your car as the distribution system of the utility. The cost of the gas to drive your car 20 miles is a small part of the total cost. The car itself, insurance, tires, maintenance, interest on the car loan the list goes on and on is the actual cost to drive your car 20 miles.

I have a 20 KW standby generator but I know I can't run it cheaper than buying my power from the Co-op.

[willieG]

how can there be such a spread in prices

[kommandokenny]

No one likes the service or fixed charges but would any of us like to pay the cost of the poles, lines, transformers and all the rest of the equipment needed to get power to our homes by ourselves? I have known a couple of people that thought they could generate their own power cheaper than buying from a utility. Within 2 months they were back on the grid because it was way too costly generating power themselves.

WillieG you mentioned the cost of gas to drive 20 miles. You make a good analogy, think of the gas as the electricity and your car as the distribution system of the utility. The cost of the gas to drive your car 20 miles is a small part of the total cost. The car itself, insurance, tires, maintenance, interest on the car loan the list goes on and on is the actual cost to drive your car 20 miles.

I have a 20 KW standby generator but I know I can't run it cheaper than buying my power from the Co-op.

In ontario it's just too high no matter what way u spin it.
The gov made some huge mistakes,, eg: cancelling gas plant in Mississauga cost billions.
Guess who pays.........

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/a-timeline-of-the-ontario-gas-plants-scandal-that-led-to-criminal-charges-against-former-premier-mcguintys-staff

[kommandokenny]

how can there be such a spread in prices

Quebec has same landscape ie: huge,, lottsa rock,, and water, spread out over millions of miles.
Yet they pay 1/2 of what we here in Ontario pay.
MISSMANAGEMENT = RIP OFF

Oh ya sorry for highjacking the original post,,Cooler

[atvalaska]

That's a steal in these parts...

[patvetzal]

Our hydro bill for December was $707, highest yet. That is heating with a lake loop geothermal. The yearly heating costs for which have varied between $414 and $600 during the past few years.
Since getting the P&M tied in the geothermal has not run and our last hydro bill was $521. Dom water is now heated via P&M as well...
I take my total hydro bill as my hydro cost and it works out to $.22/kwh

[duramax]

My plan was to get my own tank last summer, that didn't happen. So I will be moving it to the top of my list this summer.
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I had your problem for years. We always paid a penalty for not using enough propane. Now we own a 500 gallon tank. When I called for our 1st fill they gave me a high price. I told the lady that was way to high given state average was $1.50 cheaper. She calls me back and tells me she had to talk to the manager, blah blah blah and they could " honor" the state average price, I told her that that they better or I can get a new propane co. Now with a wood boiler I have not filled it up  in a year and a half.  I was thinking of calling my State rep to find out how many signatures are needed to start a bill to regulate the propane sellers. I paid for the two tanks I rented a bunch of times over.

[mlappin]

No one likes the service or fixed charges but would any of us like to pay the cost of the poles, lines, transformers and all the rest of the equipment needed to get power to our homes by ourselves? I have known a couple of people that thought they could generate their own power cheaper than buying from a utility. Within 2 months they were back on the grid because it was way too costly generating power themselves.

Way way back in the day my great grandfather just knew electricity had to be a great labor saver on any farm, especially a dairy. When they finally ran lines up what is now US 31 him and a neighbor formed their own electric co-op and ran wires down 1st road to each of their farms, of course they sold electric to any one who was willing to pay for their share of the hookup.

[patvetzal]

Here in Ontario we used to say "live better electrically" as we had Niagara Falls and then a few Nuke plants. Now I pay $.22/kwh, the highest in north America.
It is still cheaper to run our geothermal than pay $60/face cord for dry wood though. Lucky I live in 80 acres of hardwood....and only bought 3 face last month because the woodsheds were getting low. Dug logs out of the snow and now have two bush cord of not very dry maple split and piled beside the furnace...