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[martyinmi]

Last reply from me for now, as a lot of people here already know, I am a Nature's Comfort dealer. I would suggest looking up the local dealer and taking a look at one. If you don't like it, it won't bother me. (I won't make a cent off it if you buy it or not) but they are well built boilers and priced very reasonably. If you want to know anything specific about them you can send me a message.

If both houses are heated right now with hydronic systems them it will be real easy to hook them up. Just put a flat plate heat exchanger in and it will operate pretty much the same as the gas system did. (you probably need some controls, etc too) If the gas boiler heated the domestic hot water then the OWB will too. If not, you will need to add it on.

RSI-
   It isn't my intention to cut down you or your particular brand of boiler. If I've offended you in any way, shape, or form, hey, well, I'm sorry dude. I am just trying to help steer a fellow in the right direction. According to NC's web site the 220 heats up to 6000 sq.ft., not 8000. I'm hoping people can learn from my silly mistakes and not undersize their boilers. I bought my Pro Series 100 (Empyre) in Jan. of this year because (1)I got a great deal on it and (2) the company said it will heat up to 3000 sq.ft. It WILL NOT. I have 1700-1800 ft. and when it's very cold(anything under 10 degrees) I am out loading it at 10 pm. so that it will make it till 6 am. There is no way it will heat an average insulated 3000 sq. ft home in my climate. It is an awesome little boiler that I just love, but there is no way that I would ever try and convince someone that it is something that it is not. It will, however, heat a 1200-1500 sq. ft home that is insulated better than mine with no problem. What I need is one with a manufacturers rating of 4-5000 sq ft. The 500 looks like a better option than the 220 for CJ, but I'm thinking it might be extreme over kill. The Portage and Main 450 would probably be in the same league as your 500, but I believe that it too is even more extreme over kill.
   Are the NC stoves phase 2 compliant? I haven't visited the EPA's web site in a while, but as big of a company as they appear to be, I'm sure they are. Take care,
   Marty

[Jcl]

So I can't seem to get a strait answer anywhere. We've been looking at the WD HE-8000 as the possible choice since it seems to be highly recommended, but I can't seem to get a quote from anyone on the cost of the furnace itself so I know how much we're going to be looking at spending. I sent an email to WD because their website lacks a list of dealers and have yet to hear back from them.

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Call, Callie  she will give you the cost over the phone. I just bought the He 5000 + 8000 she broke all the costs down and total cost

[RSI]

Last reply from me for now, as a lot of people here already know, I am a Nature's Comfort dealer. I would suggest looking up the local dealer and taking a look at one. If you don't like it, it won't bother me. (I won't make a cent off it if you buy it or not) but they are well built boilers and priced very reasonably. If you want to know anything specific about them you can send me a message.

If both houses are heated right now with hydronic systems them it will be real easy to hook them up. Just put a flat plate heat exchanger in and it will operate pretty much the same as the gas system did. (you probably need some controls, etc too) If the gas boiler heated the domestic hot water then the OWB will too. If not, you will need to add it on.

RSI-
   It isn't my intention to cut down you or your particular brand of boiler. If I've offended you in any way, shape, or form, hey, well, I'm sorry dude. I am just trying to help steer a fellow in the right direction. According to NC's web site the 220 heats up to 6000 sq.ft., not 8000. I'm hoping people can learn from my silly mistakes and not undersize their boilers. I bought my Pro Series 100 (Empyre) in Jan. of this year because (1)I got a great deal on it and (2) the company said it will heat up to 3000 sq.ft. It WILL NOT. I have 1700-1800 ft. and when it's very cold(anything under 10 degrees) I am out loading it at 10 pm. so that it will make it till 6 am. There is no way it will heat an average insulated 3000 sq. ft home in my climate. It is an awesome little boiler that I just love, but there is no way that I would ever try and convince someone that it is something that it is not. It will, however, heat a 1200-1500 sq. ft home that is insulated better than mine with no problem. What I need is one with a manufacturers rating of 4-5000 sq ft. The 500 looks like a better option than the 220 for CJ, but I'm thinking it might be extreme over kill. The Portage and Main 450 would probably be in the same league as your 500, but I believe that it too is even more extreme over kill.
   Are the NC stoves phase 2 compliant? I haven't visited the EPA's web site in a while, but as big of a company as they appear to be, I'm sure they are. Take care,
   Marty

You didn't offend me at all. I don't care if you make any negative remarks about Nature's Comfort (I don't own the company  ) if they are true. I was just trying to point out the errors. You reply just looked kind of strange to me. If you had made any other remark about why not to look at it I would not have even replied.  The only reason was that it was too small but didn't mention the larger model.
Where did you see that the 220 is rated at 6000 sq ft? I just checked the NC site and it says 8000.
I would never sell a boiler rated at 3000 sq ft to someone with more than a well insulated 1500 sq ft house. A boiler that small won't hold much wood. It will just end in an unhappy customer. I don't know where they come up with the sq rating but anyone with any brand that I know of that went anywhere close to the max regretted it. It is a really stupid way to do it anyway. What they should do it get a rating based off gas/oil usage. (and not the way CB does it)
The only reason I see to have it is to compare sizes between manufacturers but I am not even sure how close they are.

Does the OP require an EPA Phase 2? Nature's Comfort has not had them certified because it would add $500 - $1000 to the cost of each boiler and they said it looks like the regulations might change soon and they would lose a huge investment when it becomes worthless. (like phase 1 is now)

[martyinmi]

RSI-
   I just googled NC 220 and 7 sites came up, and 4 of the 7 say the 220 heats 6000.([pdf] www.naturescomfortllc.com) The one that I checked the other day said 6000, and that's what I went with. I have never cut down any OWB brand, and I have no intention of doing so. I went to my local NC dealer back in April and he was kind enough to take me to one of his customers and show me a 220 in operation- knowing that I wouldn't be purchasing one. I think they are a real descent machine. I guess I'm confused as to where the negative remark about N C was in any of my posts? Perhaps you could clue me in.
   From what I have read, it's only around $20-$30,000 to test an OWB with the EPA. That amount really shouldn't raise the cost of an OWB by a grand or so, should it?
   And just so you know- I bought my Empyre knowing full that for a few weeks a year it would require 3x/day fueling. My local dealer is a personal friend of mine and the availability of this one came up in casual conversation, he advised me that I may have to load it more than twice a day when it's very cold, and I just had to have it. It has served me extremely well, and I'm really going to miss it when it's sold.
  I think CB is a very good company with tried and true and tested boilers, with thousands and thousands of happy customers, so I guess I wouldn't discredit their rating methodology because it's obviously working well for them(THEY'RE NUMBER ONE IN SALES BY A HUGE PERCENTAGE!).
   Have a great evening,
   Marty     
   
 

[RSI]

I think you read my post wrong. I said you did not say anything negative about it except for the size.
I think I found what you are seeing is an old brochure. They raised the rating up not long after they started selling them. http://www.naturescomfortllc.com/gt-series-downdraft-wood-furnace/
I will email Nature's Comfort and see what is going on with multiple size ratings floating around.

I didn't say anything bad about CB other than I don't like their sizing numbers. It really confuses customers.

[martyinmi]

RSI-
Click on the page you are using to illustrate your point, scroll to the bottom, then click where it says in blue "GT-220 Downdraft Gasification Brochure". Near the bottom of that page it gives specifications, and the first one on the list says "Heats UP TO 6000 sq. ft."
   I guess I read and understand things differently than you. When someone makes the remark "It is a really stupid way to do it anyway", I conclude from that statement that there is a certain amount of negativity towards that company in question. Shoot, maybe 50 years on this planet still isn't enough time for me to be able to understand what a negative remark is anyway.
   When you state "I don't care if you make any negative remarks about Nature's Comfort", the implication is certainly clear that the facts that I stated were taken as negativity by you, and I will ever so humbly apologize to you again, and again, and again, until you fully understand that my original post contained not one ounce of malice toward you or your product line of OWB's.
  Hope this clarifies everything from my side of the computer screen.

   Regards,
   Marty     

[RSI]

I had a post all written out but after re-reading through the whole thread I decided to just delete it. What I was trying to say is obviously not coming out right. I did not try to start an argument or offend anyone.

[Bull]

no harm no fowl, first beer is on me