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Kicking self
« on: November 28, 2011, 10:40:43 AM »

Hi all,  I trust everyone had a good Thanksgiving break.  I ate too much but I certainly enjoyed it.  Now, I gotta get busy on the treadmill again.

I have been kicking myself in the backside since I had the CB E-Classic 1400 OWB installed.  It never occurred to me to have the domestic hotwater heated by the OWB.  Presently I heat the domestic hotwater using my oil burner.  Man, I hate hearing that thing run.  Everytime it turns on, I cringe knowing my dollars are going places I have never been and never will go in my life time.  Next spring when I shutdown the OWB for the summer, I'll have the domestic hotwater tied into the OWB for the fall, winter and spring heating cycle.  I guess one lives and learns.  Roger     
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Re: Kicking self
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2011, 11:15:52 AM »

Don't feel bad.  Mine was a after thought too. Within 30 days of ownership I added the 20 plate to heat hot water .  Don't think I would of had much of a heat load without it. You won't regret it.
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Re: Kicking self
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2011, 07:39:06 PM »

Roger,

      Figure out what all you need for parts, and get'r'done.  Not at all complicated and even easier with a half-arsed plumber buddy!

      Really, this benefit of the OWB, you just can't be with-out.  Give the specifics of your current system and you'll surely get sound advice for the forum here.

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Re: Kicking self
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2011, 08:29:27 PM »

It isn't a big deal to do it now. You should only have to shut the pump off for a little while. (I hope they put shut off valves on the boiler)

Just get a 20 plate and find a good spot to mount it. You can run the domestic water lines to it easier that running the boiler lines where the water pipes are.

Then just cut the pipe and put onto the plate heat exchanger. The actual cutting the pipe and putting onto the heat exchanger could easily be done in 5 minutes once everything is all setup.
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Re: Kicking self
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2011, 08:25:22 AM »

Roger,

      Figure out what all you need for parts, and get'r'done.  Not at all complicated and even easier with a half-arsed plumber buddy!

      Really, this benefit of the OWB, you just can't be with-out.  Give the specifics of your current system and you'll surely get sound advice for the forum here.

Bill G.

Bill G.  I have no external tank which holds the hot water.  The oil furnace acts like an on-demand system.  How would I set up the system so that when the OWB is down for the summer, the oil furnace provides the domestic hot water but when I'm using the OWB in the fall, winter and spring the hot water is provided by the OWB without the need of a hot water tank?  Also, please, explain in laymens terms what I need, some of the terminology is still very foreign to me.

Thanks for your help.

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Re: Kicking self
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2011, 09:48:59 AM »

You just put the plate heat exchanger in series with the oil furnace. You can turn it off when the OWB is running then.
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Re: Kicking self
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2011, 11:24:00 AM »

What would be most helpful to me are pictures or diagrams of how this should be plumbed.  Pictures mean more to me than words due to the terminology.

Thanks in advance for you help.

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Re: Kicking self
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2011, 01:05:13 PM »

I have a hot water tank, I have it set up like another zone so it uses the OWB and no oil, that might be a good setup for you if you already have a source of hot water then you just need a place to transfer the heat and store the hot water you use.

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Re: Kicking self
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2011, 02:12:04 PM »

I have a hot water tank, I have it set up like another zone so it uses the OWB and no oil, that might be a good setup for you if you already have a source of hot water then you just need a place to transfer the heat and store the hot water you use.

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I think I answered your question but in a different posting.  See "E-Classic 1400 operating like a champ".  Essentially, I'm going to use the 4th unused zone coming from my oil furnace and pipe to the tank to heat the water.  My OWB is piped through the oil furnace (aquistat setting lowered) in the event I lose the fire in the OWB I'll still be warm. 

BTW - It's operating brilliantly.  15 degrees outside the past 3 morning and toasty warm in the house and no oil furnace sounds...I love the silence. 
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Re: Kicking self
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2011, 03:11:57 PM »

Roger,

     Been awhile Buddy!  My propane boiler used to make my hot water and I have a 75 gal storage tank.  It is a zone of itself and sure is overkill for our house. 

     This is also my first year with OWB, so I am going to get a electric hot water heater for summer use.  Thinking a 40 gal one would suffice.

     I would think you would get away far cheaper that way than burning oil or my propane.  You could just shut off electric when OWB at work. 

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Re: Kicking self
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2011, 06:32:02 PM »

BillG-

And imagine if you put the hwh on a timer so it's only operating when you needed it!!!  (hint hint)
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Re: Kicking self
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2011, 06:04:32 AM »

As always, great suggestion Ridge!

Haven't searched out prices for an elect. unit yet, any rough guesses on a 40 gal job?

Thus far I'm using far less wood than I did with the Quandrafire 4200.  No complaints there.

Enjoy following your monitoring posts, Ridge, but you've gone a good deal beyond my "electronic non-abilities"!!!
Interested, none the less....

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Re: Kicking self
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2011, 06:23:27 AM »

No clue on hwh pricing. Knock on wood mine has lasted 19 years so far!  (I'm sure I just jinxed myself)

The hardest part of the install of temp monitor was the sensor cabling. Second hardest part was changing default ip address to LAN address. I love the setup and am glad your are too! Lol

Gmviso just installed the same monitor. Looking forward to seeing his setup. If you ever decide to get get one, you have two techies that can help with the install if you can get past the "hardest parts" of the setup! That goes to anyone considering installing one.

And as far as wood consumption? Same here!  I predicted one cord for Dec and am far below that as  an estimate. Electric use? So far estimate is 950kwh for Dec. New record if I can keep it going.
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Re: Kicking self
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2011, 09:59:48 AM »

An electric hot water heater on a timer for summer use;  winter plumbed to OWB;  I'm thinking of building a solar collector so I can heat the water in summer time to cut down on the electrical use. 

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Re: Kicking self
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2011, 03:04:48 PM »

Instead of a solar collector, look at PV panels with micro controller/inverter run to an electric hotwater heater element.  It's much cheaper and more reliable than a solar water collector that may develop a vacuum in the lines or may not drain back properly.
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