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[Scott7m]

I've never seem a barm with a wood floor around here...  There all on dirt and a lot of folks have wood stoves in them to heat a stripping room for tobacco n such

Barns with floors in New England are quit common..But I do remember my great grandfathers wood shed/barn didnt have a floor in it..

I was just discussing this with someone....   We'd never heard of a barn with a wood floor?!

Maybe its due to the harsh winters.. I dunno.. My old buddy parents barn has a wood floor in it..

The real nice barns here might have a concrete floor, most feed barns here have concrete floors so u can scoop the poop

[MattyNH]

I've never seem a barm with a wood floor around here...  There all on dirt and a lot of folks have wood stoves in them to heat a stripping room for tobacco n such

Barns with floors in New England are quit common..But I do remember my great grandfathers wood shed/barn didnt have a floor in it..

I was just discussing this with someone....   We'd never heard of a barn with a wood floor?!

Maybe its due to the harsh winters.. I dunno.. My old buddy parents barn has a wood floor in it..

The real nice barns here might have a concrete floor, most feed barns here have concrete floors so u can scoop the poop

modern barns here have the concrete floors here too

[slimjim]

OK enough said, may be a cultural thing, up here a typical barn is different than there, around here a smoke pipe running horizontally out of a building is considered hacked, just sayin.

[willieG]

 a chimney should be as vertical as possable with as few bends as possable and preferably round. it should extend out the roof of the building at lest far enough that when measured horizontally from the center of the chimney and 2 feet lower than the top of the chiney  it is at least 10 feet to the nearest obstruction (this includes the pitch of the roof) a chimney sticking out the side of a building will not work properly, it will back draft and likley smoke you out of the building. I can see where  a dealer  of these stoves should not promote putting them in a building for  their own legal protection (they are advertised as and outdoor stove and likley have no certification for being inside)  but what a person does with one if installing themselves is thier business (again, as far as i am concerned and that means nothing)

i have had a home made stove in  a shed for over 12 years, to me they are safer than most indoor stoves, the fire is surrounded by water and if that were to boil dry there would still be an air gap between the fire box and the outside of the stove (water jacket)  if the owner build a good heavy insulated chimney and builds the proper box on the roof, the chimney should not be close to any trusses and be well supporte don the roof and water tight

my biggest peeve with these stoves is that some home builders and manufactures alike use foam insulation that is very combustable.  if had anything to say on their construction it would be to use rock wool or something that does not promote combustion

i can remember the old shed stoves made from 45 gallon drums taht glowed red hot when fired hard (they must have burnt a shed or two?)  or the old franklin fireplace that  would spit coals out the cracks around the door even when shut (many a linoleum floor had burn marks on them)
thats it...my rant on putting an outdoor stove , indoors

[slimjim]

THANK YOU

[Scott7m]

OK enough said, may be a cultural thing, up here a typical barn is different than there, around here a smoke pipe running horizontally out of a building is considered hacked, just sayin.

Yea a lot f tobacco stripping rooms here have a pipe through the wall....   Similar to what he initially mentioned

[Scott7m]

a chimney should be as vertical as possable with as few bends as possable and preferably round. it should extend out the roof of the building at lest far enough that when measured horizontally from the center of the chimney and 2 feet lower than the top of the chiney  it is at least 10 feet to the nearest obstruction (this includes the pitch of the roof) a chimney sticking out the side of a building will not work properly, it will back draft and likley smoke you out of the building. I can see where  a dealer  of these stoves should not promote putting them in a building for  their own legal protection (they are advertised as and outdoor stove and likley have no certification for being inside)  but what a person does with one if installing themselves is thier business (again, as far as i am concerned and that means nothing)

i have had a home made stove in  a shed for over 12 years, to me they are safer than most indoor stoves, the fire is surrounded by water and if that were to boil dry there would still be an air gap between the fire box and the outside of the stove (water jacket)  if the owner build a good heavy insulated chimney and builds the proper box on the roof, the chimney should not be close to any trusses and be well supporte don the roof and water tight

my biggest peeve with these stoves is that some home builders and manufactures alike use foam insulation that is very combustable.  if had anything to say on their construction it would be to use rock wool or something that does not promote combustion

i can remember the old shed stoves made from 45 gallon drums taht glowed red hot when fired hard (they must have burnt a shed or two?)  or the old franklin fireplace that  would spit coals out the cracks around the door even when shut (many a linoleum floor had burn marks on them)
thats it...my rant on putting an outdoor stove , indoors

I'm not saying im promoting it.....  but you can recommend what's best and if they don't wanna hear it you can make arrangements like letting them set the stove and you do inside work!?  All kinds of stuff, a waiver as well. 

[slimjim]

Scott ,think about it, would you after rereading the post not suggest to your customer ( or in my case, insist ) that the job be done in a safe and professional manner, do you really want your name and reputation associated with that. For the record I would not have it and would refuse the sale.

[Scott7m]

Scott ,think about it, would you after rereading the post not suggest to your customer ( or in my case, insist ) that the job be done in a safe and professional manner, do you really want your name and reputation associated with that. For the record I would not have it and would refuse the sale.

Slim, I'm not the law, I'm not going to directly insult another mans opinion.  Besides, most barns here, and what id call a barn, would be like a 3000 dollar loss if it did burn lol...   But if they were talking about barns on wood floors, that would be an issue. 

I'm not going to refuse a sale because the customer tells me it's going into a barn or shed etc..  Although, depending on how it looks, I may refuse to take part in the install , or like I said, clear myself of legal obligation

Look at a lot of brands I carry tho, heatmaster g series are approved for indoor installation

Empyre elite series and pro series are both approved for indoor installation..  Sooooo, who am I to claim to know more than a UL testing company. 

Keep in mind I'm from ky, we don't have the laws and codes n such like you'll find in the liberal lands of the NE

[MattyNH]

Scott ,think about it, would you after rereading the post not suggest to your customer ( or in my case, insist ) that the job be done in a safe and professional manner, do you really want your name and reputation associated with that. For the record I would not have it and would refuse the sale.

Slim, I'm not the law, I'm not going to directly insult another mans opinion.  Besides, most barns here, and what id call a barn, would be like a 3000 dollar loss if it did burn lol...   But if they were talking about barns on wood floors, that would be an issue. 

I'm not going to refuse a sale because the customer tells me it's going into a barn or shed etc..  Although, depending on how it looks, I may refuse to take part in the install , or like I said, clear myself of legal obligation

Look at a lot of brands I carry tho, heatmaster g series are approved for indoor installation

Empyre elite series and pro series are both approved for indoor installation..  Sooooo, who am I to claim to know more than a UL testing company. 

Keep in mind I'm from ky, we don't have the laws and codes n such like you'll find in the liberal lands of the NE

New Hampshire doesn't have the laws and codes either Like Maine or Mass, or VT does..

[MattyNH]

I dont see the big deal in all of this..I know probably half dozen people and seen by driving the miles.. That have a OWB or a wood boiler in a garage, barn that is attached to the dwelling house..In fact Aqua-Therm makes unsheltered wood boilers  so they can go in a shop or a wood shed.. Ive seen my share of wood boilers that in basements that run the same as outdoor wood boilers..Like anything other wood burning device..You gotta keep the stack pipe/chimney or what ever its hooked up to clean!!!

Yea I saw it.... 

I agree for the most part Matty...  However, I will not do the install in a barn or building just for liability issues, if they wanna sign a waiver then it's fine by me. 

I've never seen barns with floors and stuff, most barns here, you could run an open flame in them and never have an issue as there ain't nothing there, just wood walls, a beam here and there and posts.  But yea the single wall through a wall wasn't good..  I'll agree with that. 

But keep in mind income from an area where barrel stoves are often found in homes lol

I get that Scott for liability reasons..Course its out of your control after you done a install..(like person built a shed with it in it..

[Scott7m]

Yea there is only so much you can do....   Kinda hard to tell a man who's heated his home with a glowing red pot belly for 40 years that an outdoor wood boiler in a shed is a dangerous lol

[slimjim]

No insult intended, just common sense when dealing with people not aware of the potential dangers, as far as liability, I'm not concerned because I will not have anything to do with a sale or install of a product that may cost a life or at the least further deminish the reputation of the industry by not at least educating the buyer of the danger.  Common Sense.

[slimjim]

Whats with the LOL, I personnally find nothing about this conversation in any way funny, maybe I'm just tired and if so I apoligize but people do read this and because of this thread and the statements made here some may think that it is OK to install in this manner, I find nothing funny about it!

[Scott7m]

Sooo...  I shouldn't sell my outdoor wood furnaces that are approved for both indoor and outdoor installation?

What's your thoughts on regular wood stoves in a home??  Should I not sell those either?!  Those are far more dangerous to life than a wood stove in a shed or barn where no one lives?!