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[slimjim]

Well if the going gets tough down there close to those NITWITS, we can always use some LIBERTY minded folks up here in the socialist state of Maine to even up the odds a bit, I've got lots of room.

[jtepn87]

Greed for the almighty dollar is what happened to this country Scott. Politicians don't vote on right or wrong
 It's whose going to pad my bank account the most.

[Scott7m]

Greed for the almighty dollar is what happened to this country Scott. Politicians don't vote on right or wrong
 It's whose going to pad my bank account the most.

I don't agree whole heartedly

Although the greed of money is huge....

There is something out there far more powerful than money...    it's been discussed on here many times, some people actually think oil companies or gas companies know we exsist, but in reality we are not even a blip on the radar compared to the other 300 millions folks.

When you have more money than you can spend, what is left?   

When all that money doesn't fix your itch? What's left is power, the power to be able to tell someone else how to live there lives. 

The push for this stuff comes from the richest elite who use the power of the epa to push idealistic views.

Are you all aware this stuff isn't even going through the normal channels of govt??  No, it's a back door operation

[Mountain Duck]

They wont go door to door, that would take to much man power.  they will just fight it at the source, the manufacturers, there they will offer the states grants and other incentives to help police a federal law.

The big scare is attack on personal freedoms and the downright shame of the matter.  To think you can own land, own trees, but cant burn them to heat your home makes my blood boil

The 2020 regulations will be to the point it will be nearly impossible to afford a *new* Wood burning appliance

Forcing people from energy independence onto the system of depending on someone else


Shewww....  What happened to this land?

Are you sure you own the land.......I mean really sure?  Apparently the EPA has all kinds of new power!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/12/wyoming-officials-prepare-for-court-fight-against-epa-ruling-that-gave-land-to/

[ijon]

Matty thats not a cool comparison because they very well may come looking for our guns too soon and most of our children don't have the brains to understand what it means.

Amen to that.

[ijon]

We are of like mind Scott, how ya doing!

          You are right, its a very sad.

Doing good, just get bothered when I see the path this nation is on, its saddening

[yoderheating]

 I can't speak for what other companies will be out there after 2020 but I feel fairly confident in Heat Master. Right now we have a furnace that is a fraction of a percent of making the 2020 standard, no reason to believe they can't get it improved by that small amount in 6 years. Some of the companies that barely made the phase II level, those are the ones that may have some trouble. 

[uncle Dave]

Here's a little something to think about. The green movement itself, which wood smoke emissions is only a small part of, was created by the international bankers. They are holding the paper on every country on the planet. They created the whole thing to protect their collateral. The only thing in America that has any value is our natural rescources (air coal water gas oil timber ect. ect. They own it, and will not have us using or (destroying their collateral) The land and its natural rescoures is what they will repocess. Real estate, our homes, have very little value as far as they are concerned. However, they have a couple BIG problems that are being worked on at present, the constitution, and we are armed.

[skorpyd]

I'll give up my OWB when they pry it from my cold dead fingers...

We gotta turn this country around, if it's still possible.

[slimjim]

I spent my time fighting those regs in our state capital 6 years ago, I'll help any way I can but it's your turn to fight now guys, I'm still working on paying down the debt that that fight cost me and it got me nowhere.

[mlappin]

Greed for the almighty dollar is what happened to this country Scott. Politicians don't vote on right or wrong
 It's whose going to pad my bank account the most.

I don't agree whole heartedly

Although the greed of money is huge....

There is something out there far more powerful than money...    it's been discussed on here many times, some people actually think oil companies or gas companies know we exsist, but in reality we are not even a blip on the radar compared to the other 300 millions folks.

When you have more money than you can spend, what is left?   

When all that money doesn't fix your itch? What's left is power, the power to be able to tell someone else how to live there lives. 

The push for this stuff comes from the richest elite who use the power of the epa to push idealistic views.

Are you all aware this stuff isn't even going through the normal channels of govt??  No, it's a back door operation

Since their is no button, LIKE^^^

[jefito]

I don't know how state laws are in your are of the country are but in New Mexico and in Colorado both, though you have ownership to your land free an clear title in hand to both ranches. Don't pay your county taxes for 3 years straight and see what happens to what you thought you owned!!!!!!  Now they will pass these new regs from the EPA. They will out law  anything that produces smoke. They  belive they know what's best for us.   SOCIALISM!     BASTARDS!!!

[mlappin]

Now guys, all those job killing regs from the EPA are just to try to curb um global warming. Anybody that spent this winter in North America can tell you that global warming has gotten so bad that we set record cold temps because of the polar vortex that is a result of global warming.

Um, yah and my *ss sh*ts apple butter.

There is no global warming, just follow the money thats made off the myth.

[slimjim]

  I would agree 100% Mlappin, better get that apple butter thing checked out, it doesn't sound real healthy

[ijon]

And where is that old global warming woodchuck Al Gore holed up after his recent wealth?