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mikect05

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Re: help, why are gassers troublesome?
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2014, 05:10:03 PM »

Thanks Jrider, sounds like a great unit, now just wondering what they cost
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Re: help, why are gassers troublesome?
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2014, 05:15:04 PM »

I am by no men's trying too talk you out of a gasser, and it would be great for you too stop paying OPEC.
But wouldn't you want to "stop the bleeding before you fix the heart"?

do you mean the heatmaster g series?

The heatmaster g series in its current configuration hasn't been out that long

All I can really say about them is they were the cleanest burning unit that's ever been tested, go to the epa burn wise website and look,  emissions were at 0.07.    Besides the testing, I know of several people who are running them and all have been very happy. 

The g series has a variable draft and vertical tubes with tubulators that can be spun inside the tube to eliminate the need to ever brush them

The optimizer is a popular unit on the forum and it seems most folks are pretty happy,  go to the p and m section and read. 

I am still up in the air a bit on what I want to do, I definitely like the idea of burning less wood more efficiently, but still don't have my mind made up, but am leaning towards a gasser.  To stop the bleeding I will be replacing windows, garage doors and insulating my house better over the coming summer.


Roger- are you happy with the performance of your CB? If you had to do it over tomorrow and could choose any efficiency would you choose the one you have?

It looks like of all the gassers the Optimizer seems the most well liked, well that's my perception from reading these forums, does that seem pretty accurate? 
How much is the cost of a Optimizer 250?  I actually sent an email last week to a guy who is supposed to be a dealer around here but have not heard back from him.
Would anybody care to comment on the Woodmaster G series?  I am also thinking about that one.
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Re: help, why are gassers troublesome?
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2014, 04:09:13 AM »

I am by no men's trying too talk you out of a gasser, and it would be great for you too stop paying OPEC.
But wouldn't you want to "stop the bleeding before you fix the heart"?

I am still up in the air a bit on what I want to do, I definitely like the idea of burning less wood more efficiently, but still don't have my mind made up, but am leaning towards a gasser.  To stop the bleeding I will be replacing windows, garage doors and insulating my house better over the coming summer.


Roger- are you happy with the performance of your CB? If you had to do it over tomorrow and could choose any efficiency would you choose the one you have?

It looks like of all the gassers the Optimizer seems the most well liked, well that's my perception from reading these forums, does that seem pretty accurate? 
How much is the cost of a Optimizer 250?  I actually sent an email last week to a guy who is supposed to be a dealer around here but have not heard back from him.
Would anybody care to comment on the Woodmaster G series?  I am also thinking about that one.

Mike - I'm very happy with my CB gasser.  Knocking on wood, I've had no issues with the CB gasser.  I cannot speak for other manufacturers, because this is the first OWB I've owned and it would be dishonest of me to offer an opinion of them.  One selling point was the proximity the dealer is to me.  A simply less than 30 minute drive and I'm in his yard.  No other dealers are that close to me.  You ask if I could do it over again what would it be.  I would have gone with the CB 1450 unit.  It's slightly larger than the 1400 but more importantly it has removable panels in the firebox to aid cleaning the corners and the primary air holes.  It also has the newest controller that allows one to monitor it from anywhere you have your Iphone, Ipad, etc..., my 1400 doesn't have that option but it is available in an upgrade if I ever wish to go that route.  The only thing that's proprietary on the CB units is the controller, all other parts (circs, blower, solenoids, etc...) are available at a local HVAC supply house.  Roger 
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Re: help, why are gassers troublesome?
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2014, 07:23:46 AM »

Mike- I have been doing quite a bit of reading up on gassers.  I narrowed it down between CB E1400 or CB E1450 and the P&M Optimizer 250.  Price difference between these units is not enough to sway a person one way or another.  Both units are well built; and from reading on here there are a lot of guys that are happy with each of them.  I’m still saving up some money but I’m leaning towards the P&M 250.  CB has a dealer 12 miles from my house, but from talking to guys in the area it seems the dealer’s expertise and support is far less than what the P&M guys are able to offer just through this forum.  I’m sure there are great dealers out there but sounds like we drew the short stick.  CB does seem to have the leading edge on the electronics and being able to control your boiler from your phone.  It’s nice to be able to see what’s going on but until they can get the phone to add the wood for you it’s not a big selling feature for me.  Also the electronics board taking a crap seems to be one of more known problems for the CB E-Classics.  The last thing that pushed me towards P&M was the lower stack temps = more efficiency.
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Re: help, why are gassers troublesome?
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2014, 09:11:55 AM »

Thanks JTS :)
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Re: help, why are gassers troublesome?
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2014, 09:24:41 AM »

The last thing that pushed me towards P&M was the lower stack temps = more efficiency.

This is an important detail.  My/our goal is efficiency, work smarter not harder, I mean all of the manufacturers themes are based in someway on higher efficiency no matter what wood burning device it is. Some are very temper mental and we only see or read a small fraction of them. While others have little to no issues, but are we paying attention to the details of why.
There is a window from the time the fire is lit and when it reaches its most efficient burn, some are longer than others, smoke is not the tell tale sign always either. So to get the most out of it, longer burn cycles and not short cycling. Some never reach their prime because of short cycling.  Some say they have to be sized right or to the Tee.  But even when we size boilers , it's only sized for the coldest day of your region. Well that's only 1% of your heating season. So the rest of the time it's oversized, and oversized units short cycle. Modulating gas valves, variable speed fans are some things to adjust output to match the load. Even then the best indoor gas boilers can be oversized and why buffer or storage tanks are spec'd for the job.
Buffer tanks capture all the excess heat for later use. Anywhere from 30 gallons up to 250 gallons. Buffers also provide a good load on the boiler with boiler protection. After 300 gallons it becomes storage. This gives you maximum efficiency and control of heat usage, with little wasted to standby losses. (Anywhere from a tenth of a degree up to .8 degree per hour). Much better than storing all the water outside, where OWB's loose 8%-20% standby losses, Plus underground pipe losses. Indoor gassers don't have this problem of outside exposure, it's just limited to the chimney losses only. If you've been reading on hearth you'll see many examples of 300-500 stack temps during full burn,(indoor boilers reach max burn much faster as well) meaning they are very thermally efficient and temps under 200 in standby. Indoor units have much less volume which equals less standby losses as well. Even the outdoor gassers have less than their conventional counter parts.
Of all the indoor boilers I've seen or all the pictures on hearth, I've never seen a dirty boiler room or house. It's only as dirty as you keep it, If it was dirty so was the rest of the place. Insects prefer live wood, A good cut split and stacked seasoned source for more than a year doesn't harbor insects much unless something is rotting. There are many that store a whole seasons worth of wood inside with no issues, but Every area is different and You should always pay attention. Some use the boiler heat or make drying zones to further dry the wood. You can read for yourself about indoor boiler owners and whether they have any issues with their gassers, there are plenty of examples. Always best to get the Info straight from multiple sources instead of cherry picking one example of an owner that hadn't cleaned his boiler in 3 years.
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