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is 185 the magic set point

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my burner runs between 150 and 160

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Total Members Voted: 25

[steve.b]

If your return water, with all heat extraction taking place needs to be over 140.  Most all boilers whether gas, coal, oil, you name it are designed for a delta t around 20 degrees.  The system design is the dealers part to get right.   Properly sizing the pump and line combo for the job at hand, its why I frown on doing a one size fits all pump on a stove.

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Thanks a lot Scott, makes sense

[Trint]

Hmm....  Interesting. 

Do u ever add water to your stove

Not much since I found the leak in the house, 1-5gal a year, don't have an exact amount.

[Scott7m]

Hmm....  Interesting. 

Do u ever add water to your stove

Not much since I found the leak in the house, 1-5gal a year, don't have an exact amount.

Yea...  That's about normal from what I've seen

[victor6deep]

If you look at the cold water to hot water ratio returning to the stove the cold returning water is tiny compared to the stove water bladder. My stove holds 228 gallons of water at 150-160 degrees and you're telling me a very few gallons of cold water returning will cause damage? I would say what rots a stove is burning wet/green wood at 150-160 degress since moisture mixed with ash long enough will create a strong acid that will slowly pit a stove out from the inside out. So my conclusion is I ain't buying the scheme of theories about stove temps and return temps. If and when mine leaks I will proudly post a thread on here and be truthful about it. Yes, I will be the dumbass and try it.

[Scott7m]

It's not a theory or opinion...

Your right, in part, but the part your missing is the science, where if the firebox wall itself is cooled to 136 degrees, moisture from the wood can then gather on the walls instead of going out the stack, simply watch your stove on your first fire of the season,  she'll sweet like a pig til the water gets up above 140, then it's not possible for water to stick to the steel, but goes out the stack.

The cold water coming back into a larger volume does help it some, but does not fix it.  If your return is focused on one spot on the fire box, it allows that spot on the firebox wall to be cool, hence moisture will gather there.   The NC I was speaking of, the customer burned quality wood, that was confirmed by his dealer "a friend of mine" but no wood is moisture free

So, as I said, you are right in part that green wood is harder due to the water getting into the Ash, but if the firebox walls were hotter, the moisture couldn't gather and out the stack it would go

If you think that's the reason I think you'd be a fan of maintaining as clean of a firebox as possible

[victor6deep]

I've never seen mine sweat before when starting it up.

[slimjim]

I don't know much but I do know that if the warranty or operators manual tells me to do something and I don't follow the instructions, I don't expect the warranty to be honored, what Scott is saying has been found to be true, you can make your own mind up but the choices are, run it the way it is designed to be run and have a warranty or believe you know better than the manufacturers reps and void your warranty while thinking that you are saving wood.

[Scott7m]

I don't know much but I do know that if the warranty or operators manual tells me to do something and I don't follow the instructions, I don't expect the warranty to be honored, what Scott is saying has been found to be true, you can make your own mind up but the choices are, run it the way it is designed to be run and have a warranty or believe you know better than the manufacturers reps and void your warranty while thinking that you are saving wood.

Slim, do you realize tho how little most of these manufacturers know about hydronic heating?!  Most of them are guys who simply say, well we can weld, let's build stoves.  Now for the most part it's okay, but when it gets down to the nitty gritty I see manufactures telling people all the time, oh 150 is fine..  They have no clue, willieg has even posted govt links about the dangers of running your boiler to cold



Victor, I have started many many brands of stoves for customers on installations, I've not seen one yet that didn't sweat on start up, hot fire inside a cold water jacket, it's gonna sweat the walls....    As matter of fact most customers think they have a leak cause its literally pouring down the walls

[slimjim]

This is exactly why I work directly for our manufacturer as a trouble shooting rep, I can see what happens in the field and report my findings back to the factory, the boilers can all run really nice in the lab but it's what happens in real life out in the field that we all need to be concerned with and when the manufacturer has a rep in the field that has experience and they can trust, well lets just say that corrections / improvements can be made quickly, my suggestion to all of the manufacturers is pay attention to your dealer feedback and don't bury your head in the sand as some have done in the past costing the company thier reputation.

[chillyhiker]

QUOTE FROM SCOTT77:
Slim, do you realize tho how little most of these manufacturers know about hydronic heating?!  Most of them are guys who simply say, well we can weld, let's build stoves.  Now for the most part it's okay, but when it gets down to the nitty gritty I see manufactures telling people all the time, oh 150 is fine..  They have no clue, willieg has even posted govt links about the dangers of running your boiler to co

This is why Im Buying from Scott...sure I could save  buck by going directly to the manufacture but I want to be able to call someone that has experiance installing and operating these things when I have a  problem. Chuck

[slimjim]

Wise move, buy local from a guy that has knowledge behind him and not just a sales guy.

[Scott7m]

Thanks for the kind words chilly

Yep, slim, I know you know what a mess things can be

[renoman]

  Would have to agree with Scott on the sweating issue. When I fired mine
up for the first time I thought it had a huge leak with all the sweat. The pad was soaked
but soon realized that it wasn't leaking when it got up to temp. I run mine at 198 and
adjust the variable depending on the season to keep it going. The hotter you run it
the cleaner it will stay an less chance of condamnation I would think. Wood is cheap
compared to your investment!

[Scott7m]

  Would have to agree with Scott on the sweating issue. When I fired mine
up for the first time I thought it had a huge leak with all the sweat. The pad was soaked
but soon realized that it wasn't leaking when it got up to temp. I run mine at 198 and
adjust the variable depending on the season to keep it going. The hotter you run it
the cleaner it will stay an less chance of condamnation I would think. Wood is cheap
compared to your investment!

Yes especially when we don't know how much longer well be able to purchase these units, best to take care of the one you have now

[victor6deep]

Stove is 60ft from house and pump on medium and stove at 150-165. Return temps during full load is 15 degrees.