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Re: I'm in over my head here.
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2013, 05:49:31 AM »

Sorry for the delay guys. I was trying to get some pictures on last night but that just wasnt in the cards. The shipping business is relentless. I did how ever make a disappointing discovery. The boiler system is set up to pull the water through the system SO....I have the hx plumed into the hot side coming out of the boiler, not the cold(return) :bash:
     I did measure the hx its 48" x 3". I had been happen with my dealer up until last night when I got the bill for my hx. I had called 3 weeks ago and told them what I was doing and that I needed a hx for my system. Was told that was no problem and they would ship on out to me. I get the bill yesterday and its $760! That included shipping but holy smokes! Does that sound like a fair price to you guys selling this stuff? I will work more on some pictures tonight, thanks for the continued help here guys  :thumbup:
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Re: I'm in over my head here.
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2013, 05:55:53 AM »

My dealer or ex dealer sold me 1 1/4'' pex for my 5036. The fitting on the boiler is 3/4''.Im not sure if im getting the fill effect of the 1 1/4'' pex or not but it seems to me that I could have saved money by running 1'' or 3/4'' pex.
 That dealer was in N.H. in Colebrook. Has been useless.
probably did you a favor
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Re: I'm in over my head here.
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2013, 10:55:14 AM »

My dealer or ex dealer sold me 1 1/4'' pex for my 5036. The fitting on the boiler is 3/4''.Im not sure if im getting the fill effect of the 1 1/4'' pex or not but it seems to me that I could have saved money by running 1'' or 3/4'' pex.
 That dealer was in N.H. in Colebrook. Has been useless.
How long is it? The fitting at the boiler has little to do with the required pex size.
The larger pex will save money in the long run if you have a properly sized pump.
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Re: I'm in over my head here.
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2013, 10:56:55 AM »

Sorry for the delay guys. I was trying to get some pictures on last night but that just wasnt in the cards. The shipping business is relentless. I did how ever make a disappointing discovery. The boiler system is set up to pull the water through the system SO....I have the hx plumed into the hot side coming out of the boiler, not the cold(return) :bash:
     I did measure the hx its 48" x 3". I had been happen with my dealer up until last night when I got the bill for my hx. I had called 3 weeks ago and told them what I was doing and that I needed a hx for my system. Was told that was no problem and they would ship on out to me. I get the bill yesterday and its $760! That included shipping but holy smokes! Does that sound like a fair price to you guys selling this stuff? I will work more on some pictures tonight, thanks for the continued help here guys  :thumbup:
Considering that a plate heat exchanger would have been about $350 for a 60 plate I would say that is a lot.
Is it stainless steel or copper tubes inside it?
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Re: I'm in over my head here.
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2013, 11:12:37 AM »

U got hosed, wrong heat exchanger and double the cost to what you needed

It's crazy that he thought you needed one of those

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Re: I'm in over my head here.
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2013, 12:03:27 PM »


How long is it? The fitting at the boiler has little to do with the required pex size.
The larger pex will save money in the long run if you have a properly sized pump.
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The run is about 50' and the pump is a Grundfos 3 speed.I think on par with a 007 taco. And I have been runing the pump at the slowest setting.
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Re: I'm in over my head here.
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2013, 12:08:23 PM »

It's probably a 15-58

It's more pump than an 007 but i would def be running it on high, everything will work better, stove better protected and all that for an extra buck or two of electric
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Re: I'm in over my head here.
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2013, 12:14:53 PM »

What would that protect the stove from?
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Re: I'm in over my head here.
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2013, 12:18:48 PM »

Higher flow rates reduce delta t, being the difference between supply and return temps

If the delta t is to large you'll have condensation in the firebox, that leads to early death.  That's why central boiler now requires boiler protection systems as well as empyre.  They use thermostatic valves to make sure return temps are over 140-150 at all times

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Re: I'm in over my head here.
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2013, 12:34:00 PM »

Hey, thanks alot.
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Re: I'm in over my head here.
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2013, 12:55:00 PM »

Sorry for the delay guys. I was trying to get some pictures on last night but that just wasnt in the cards. The shipping business is relentless. I did how ever make a disappointing discovery. The boiler system is set up to pull the water through the system SO....I have the hx plumed into the hot side coming out of the boiler, not the cold(return) :bash:
     I did measure the hx its 48" x 3". I had been happen with my dealer up until last night when I got the bill for my hx. I had called 3 weeks ago and told them what I was doing and that I needed a hx for my system. Was told that was no problem and they would ship on out to me. I get the bill yesterday and its $760! That included shipping but holy smokes! Does that sound like a fair price to you guys selling this stuff? I will work more on some pictures tonight, thanks for the continued help here guys  :thumbup:

Ayuh,...   Dependin' on how the system it plumbed up, that may not be that bad,...

If yer tryin' to move the heat to the house, it don't matter so much...

If yer tryin' to use the gas boiler as the distribution block, Ya, that's Bad, as the hot water would need to go through the house 1st, loosin' all it's heat...

I still say, if the OWboiler is capable of bein' a pressure boiler, I'd go back to the way ya found it...
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Re: I'm in over my head here.
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2013, 12:56:23 PM »


How long is it? The fitting at the boiler has little to do with the required pex size.
The larger pex will save money in the long run if you have a properly sized pump.
The run is about 50' and the pump is a Grundfos 3 speed.I think on par with a 007 taco. And I have been runing the pump at the slowest setting.
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If you had 1" pex then the pump would have to be on high to be close to the same flow rate. If 3/4" was used then a larger pump probably would have been needed.
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Re: I'm in over my head here.
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2013, 04:31:44 PM »

Just going by measurements of HX is guesswork, need specs, is it like this? Just guessing by cost and dimension.
http://www.altheatsupply.com/shop-by-needs/heat-exchanger/pool-heat-exchangers/stainless-steal-tube-and-shell-heat-exchanger-350k-btu.html

It looks kinda like that.  Its copper though, inner piping and outer. Has female bungs on the top, bottom, and two on the side, one towards the top and the other towards the bottom. I will work on getting up some pictures tonight so you guys can see what I'm dealing with. Im still beside myself at what I was charged buy the dealer for my hx. Thanks again for the continued help.
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Re: I'm in over my head here.
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2013, 04:33:59 PM »

Oh bondo, I don't think I can run it as a pressurized OWB. Thanks for the thought though.  :thumbup:
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Re: I'm in over my head here.
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2013, 04:38:44 PM »

Oh bondo, I don't think I can run it as a pressurized OWB. Thanks for the thought though.  :thumbup:

Most def not, they are open systems
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