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[johnybcold]

As long as the CB had the EPA plate screwed to the side of it a woulda bought it, that is all you can get in MA the efficiency rating is nice to have but it coulda been 15 and I woulda got it, anything to screw big oil from getting my $

[Roger2561]

When I purchased my 1400, the sales rep told me about the "great number" CB was getting.  My reply to him, I don't care about that, I was tired having to pay our over $5,000.00/yr to the oil company and this unit made that possible. 

[Scott7m]

You guys bought for the right reasons, many base it on numbers games and wild marketing

[hoardac]

I don't care if it was 10 percent efficient I will save still save a fortune over oil heat here in northern Maine.

[12valve]

Yup chalk me up to "dont Care".  It takes X amount of wood to heat my house and hot water.  I have a nice warm house and I like to cut wood.  So no big deal, all it costs me is a some time, and a little sweat.

[martyinmi]

Hey guys,
tronsilver is just a troll who wants any and all wood burning appliances outlawed.
He/she/it is obviously an anti wood burning activist who will type untruths mixed with half truths in the hopes that weak minded individuals might not see through his/hers/it's bs and inadvertently join the moronic crusade that he/she it perceives as worthwhile.
Google the name and you'll see what I'm referring to.
He/she/it has an agenda, and it appears that it's not a pretty one for those of us who choose to provide heat for our homes by means of wood.
It (tronsilver) has been vanquished from at least two other sites, and I'm hoping the mods here will do the same.

Go away evil troll!!!!

[johnybcold]

Maybe he is one of those Hackers from China, trying to bring down  the US one potential sale at a time. And to that I say  Zǔzhǐ hēikè hé fāsòng tōngguò S chǎomiàn hé xìngyùn qū qí

[slimjim]

I also represent a boiler manufacturer and can see both sides of the story, on one hand we have a govt agency that knew the #'s were wrong and still used them, WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT. on the other hand we have my competition using those same #'s all the while knowing that they were flawed, Use your heads folks it happens in allmost any industry, govt. makes a mistake and the private sector pays the price, do you think that the cheese wiz at the EPA that approved the test will be repromanded or maybe lose his job? I do not. Allow me to put it this way, remember the BP oil spill, I may not remember all the details but I believe that 6 federal inspectors gave a safety award to the deep water horizon 2 weeks before 11 men died on it, to my knowledge the only people ever held responsible for that disaster was BP even after the news said that the officials were being investigated for taking bribes. We as individuals can certainly choose what corporation we do buisiness with but as manufacturers we cannot choose another dep agency to qualify the units that we have invested sometimes millions of our own money into research and development. Who should the consumer really be angry with. I do not work with the manufacturer mentioned in any way nor do I wish to but I do not like to hear this industry be bashed for govt failures either.

[MattyNH]

I also represent a boiler manufacturer and can see both sides of the story, on one hand we have a govt agency that knew the #'s were wrong and still used them, WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT. on the other hand we have my competition using those same #'s all the while knowing that they were flawed, Use your heads folks it happens in allmost any industry, govt. makes a mistake and the private sector pays the price, do you think that the cheese wiz at the EPA that approved the test will be repromanded or maybe lose his job? I do not. Allow me to put it this way, remember the BP oil spill, I may not remember all the details but I believe that 6 federal inspectors gave a safety award to the deep water horizon 2 weeks before 11 men died on it, to my knowledge the only people ever held responsible for that disaster was BP even after the news said that the officials were being investigated for taking bribes. We as individuals can certainly choose what corporation we do buisiness with but as manufacturers we cannot choose another dep agency to qualify the units that we have invested sometimes millions of our own money into research and development. Who should the consumer really be angry with. I do not work with the manufacturer mentioned in any way nor do I wish to but I do not like to hear this industry be bashed for govt failures either.

looks like to me misrepresentation to the customer..Knowing these days..Surprised theres no law suit (that I know of)

[Scott7m]

The companies ony posted what the government told them too!  That's the bad part

[slimjim]

I guess somebody should be in charge of keeping us honest, trouble is the appointed ones can't be trusted either. Point is as a consumer, do your research, if what you are being told by the dealer or manufacturer makes sense then follow through with your project and don't trust numbers that we all know are crap to start with. We run our boilers at all my shows to show as real world as we can showing exhaust temps and all to potential customers. I would truly like to see more of our competition doing this as it sure does attract some attention. Last year at the Fryeburg fair in Maine we had over 1 million BTU's being dumped into the audience by myself and competitors in a very friendly way, the participants included, Harmon stoves( pellets) Empire with their outdoor unit, and Vigas with their indoor unit, lots of other alternative energy companies there as well. We all now have a new street on the fairgrounds called ENERGY ROW and it is a great attraction, That is the sort of thing that I trust and I would invite any of the other dealers to join us or start your own energy row at your local fair, sometimes it is difficult to convince the fair association but it is worth the effort, if I can help let me know, I'm sure Fryeburg will vouch for energy row as we think we can double the vendors and space this year

[MattyNH]

I guess somebody should be in charge of keeping us honest, trouble is the appointed ones can't be trusted either. Point is as a consumer, do your research, if what you are being told by the dealer or manufacturer makes sense then follow through with your project and don't trust numbers that we all know are crap to start with. We run our boilers at all my shows to show as real world as we can showing exhaust temps and all to potential customers. I would truly like to see more of our competition doing this as it sure does attract some attention. Last year at the Fryeburg fair in Maine we had over 1 million BTU's being dumped into the audience by myself and competitors in a very friendly way, the participants included, Harmon stoves( pellets) Empire with their outdoor unit, and Vigas with their indoor unit, lots of other alternative energy companies there as well. We all now have a new street on the fairgrounds called ENERGY ROW and it is a great attraction, That is the sort of thing that I trust and I would invite any of the other dealers to join us or start your own energy row at your local fair, sometimes it is difficult to convince the fair association but it is worth the effort, if I can help let me know, I'm sure Fryeburg will vouch for energy row as we think we can double the vendors and space this year

I saw those set ups last yr at the Fryeburg Fair..Ill see them this fall again

[slimjim]

It was a very educational row was it not? I really liked the professional competition all being in the same row, we all got along really well, This year I am trying to get somebody to bring a gasoline powered unit that runs on wood smoke, last year I met a young man that has been running his old Ford pickup truck on smoke made from wood chips for 10 years. If you don't believe it go to drive on wood dot com. Adolf Hitler did it in WW2 because they had very little fuel during the war. The young man tells me that a 5 gallon bucket of wood chips will get him 10 miles down the road. Please stop in and say HI you will know me as the handsome long haired / bearded libertarian, self reliant, wacko guy

[MattyNH]

It was a very educational row was it not? I really liked the professional competition all being in the same row, we all got along really well, This year I am trying to get somebody to bring a gasoline powered unit that runs on wood smoke, last year I met a young man that has been running his old Ford pickup truck on smoke made from wood chips for 10 years. If you don't believe it go to drive on wood dot com. Adolf Hitler did it in WW2 because they had very little fuel during the war. The young man tells me that a 5 gallon bucket of wood chips will get him 10 miles down the road. Please stop in and say HI you will know me as the handsome long haired / bearded libertarian, self reliant, wacko guy

Yeah Ive heard and seen videos of wood power vehicles...You know what I probably did talk to you at the last fair lol..That chipper burner was pretty impressive....Yeah its nice to have the  outdoor boilers  in one row..I was surprised central wasn't there..Ill be back at the fair this oct...

[slimjim]

Yes, they have a very good dealer right there in Conway NH just down the road, I have asked him several times to join us but he does not like doing big shows, he stops by when he's there but has no interest in an 8 day show,I can see his point as we seldom sell much on the spot but it does get the product in front of the public and if they like what they see the sales do come in later.