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[Rockarosa]

Well we had 4 inches of rain in 2 days. Went into the  basement today and for the first time I noticed water coming out of my pex  wrap. Not much but it was wet. I installed this myself 5 years ago and only ran schedule 40 under the driveway. Hate the thought of digging this up plus the cost. Wished I would have ran this through 6 inch pipe. My dealer told me at the time that it would be a waste of money. He went out of business about 2 years ago.

[hoardac]

That sucks, You could always dig it up and put it in a pipe after you patch the hole.

[Scott7m]

Yea that pretty much jeopardizes the pipe once the insulation gets wet, you could easily use 40-50% more wood once this happens.

I'd recommend tearing it out, buying a good quality wrapped insulation, and pulling the entire pet package, including its own tile, through a 6" tile of your own. 

I sell any kind of line you want, and I'm not going to sit here and lie to you and say if it had been logstor or thermopex you wouldn't have had this problem, it's simply not true.  It can crack and be ruined as well, that's why I'm a fan of giving it to layers of protection

[Rockarosa]

Scott, I just looked up my furnace bill from 2008 and I paid $6.55 a foot for the pex. I thought it was thermopex but could be wrong as the bill does no t specify the brand.

[Scott7m]

I wasn't dealing thermopex in 08 but that would seem cheap if it was. 

Is it a foam filled line or a wrapped line package?  Both can fail

You could get a good line set close to what you paid then, but this time be sure to double tile it.

[RSI]

Is the basement the lowest place or does it go lower underground? If it is the lowest point where it it leaked into the basement and the insulation is sealed pretty good,it might possibly dry out and not be much worse than it has been. Most wrapped type insulation is a plastic based type foam that can't soak up water like the spray foam does)
Is the other end open at the boiler so it can vent? If not and you want to try salvaging it before pulling it out, I would open it.

[Rockarosa]

Scott and RSI, It is a wrapped line looks like a 5 wrap. It is 2 feet underground qnd comes through my basement wall. It  does seem like the insulation is not soaking up the water. But water is definitely  in the the pipe and around the insulation. Hate to dig this up but if it will cost me that much more wood then I'll go ahead and rent a walk behind  trencher. I hate to spend more money for fear that the state of Ohio will outlaw this.

[slimjim]

Yea that pretty much jeopardizes the pipe once the insulation gets wet, you could easily use 40-50% more wood once this happens.

I'd recommend tearing it out, buying a good quality wrapped insulation, and pulling the entire pet package, including its own tile, through a 6" tile of your own. 

I sell any kind of line you want, and I'm not going to sit here and lie to you and say if it had been logstor or thermopex you wouldn't have had this problem, it's simply not true.  It can crack and be ruined as well, that's why I'm a fan of giving it to layers of protection

     Well if you damage LOGSTOR you would have to try pretty hard, I have personnally loaded the bucket on my 416 cat with gravel, thrown down a scrap piece of LOGSTOR on the driveway and driven over it with the Cat, scrapes on the outside but no damage that would allow water to get to the insulation nor any sign of crushed pipe anywhere, Try that with timesaver

[Scott7m]

I will agree that logstor is far tougher than thermopex, yes.  I have seen it leak to though so it's not impossible.  The grade of tile these manufacturers are using on the time saver pipe varies as well.

[slimjim]

Perhaps you were very unlucky but I've been selling and installing it for 8 years, 6 -10 rolls per year and the only problem that I've seen is if somebody poked it with a forklift in shipping, Really nice product.

[Scott7m]

Yes it is...   For a dollar more than thermopex it's 10x the value lol

[slimjim]

I didn't think it was more, keeping in mind Logstor is 1 inch inside diameter and because they use nominal sizing, thier inside diameter is only .82 inches

[Scott7m]

Yea I know...  Yea I buy thermopex for $1 less per foot than I can logstor.  Normally I retail it at $11.90 and $12.90

[slimjim]

very fair pricing, people just need to know you get what you pay for, neither is 5 bucks a foot for a reason