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[yoderheating]

I'm all for freedom and lord knows I've done my fair share in the political arena combating the progressive slide away from individual rights.
 But my real question here is what will the landscape look like. Will there be thousands of furnace owners out there who suddenly have no warranty or dealer to call for help or parts. I was hoping to get some opinions from folks like Slim, Scott and RSI.

[AirForcePOL]

This is ridiculous.  It worries me because my Hardy is 14 years old and I had planned on using it as long as I could and then purchasing a new stove when that time comes.  Now I feel like if they pass these laws I won't be able to afford a new stove if they are going to be 15k. 

[yoderheating]

 I don't think you will see them at 15k for a few years yet, maybe more like 10k. After 2020 it may be 15k if they are even available at all. At some point I'm wondering if they will have to be combo units that use propane or oil to reburn the smoke to get it clean enough. 

[slimjim]

Yoder, we went through it 6-7 years ago here in Maine, it crippled the industry back then, there were some really good conventional boilers on the market back then. I sold Wood Doctor and it was a well built product, then came the gassers, WD had one of the first on the market (not tested ) the energy converter, it was a good boiler but fell on it's face when it came to staying together, major corrosion problems, when I saw the problems coming I let Arthur Turple know and he buried his head in the sand, I thiink he saw it all coming and simply wanted to ride it out as long as it would last, he as much as anybody gave the gasser industry a bad name ( if you are reading this Arthur, we will meet again ) the industry has come a long way, most manufacturers will stick with it to a point, as long as you are sure they are here to stay then don't be afraid to stay in the game, I think the key is that if they listen to what is happening in the field, we as an industry can overcome what the pellet manufacturers are trying to screw us out of, yes it is coming from the pellet manufacturers and not oil, gas or coal, it is the alternative energy market bidding for that almighty federal grant money!!!!!!!

[fireboss]

By putting the stoves in the barns it becomes an indoor boiler and they have no say what you do

[MattyNH]

Yoder, we went through it 6-7 years ago here in Maine, it crippled the industry back then, there were some really good conventional boilers on the market back then. I sold Wood Doctor and it was a well built product, then came the gassers, WD had one of the first on the market (not tested ) the energy converter, it was a good boiler but fell on it's face when it came to staying together, major corrosion problems, when I saw the problems coming I let Arthur Turple know and he buried his head in the sand, I thiink he saw it all coming and simply wanted to ride it out as long as it would last, he as much as anybody gave the gasser industry a bad name ( if you are reading this Arthur, we will meet again ) the industry has come a long way, most manufacturers will stick with it to a point, as long as you are sure they are here to stay then don't be afraid to stay in the game, I think the key is that if they listen to what is happening in the field, we as an industry can overcome what the pellet manufacturers are trying to screw us out of, yes it is coming from the pellet manufacturers and not oil, gas or coal, it is the alternative energy market bidding for that almighty federal grant money!!!!!!!

I remember seeing the wood doctors display in the past..

[Scott7m]

By putting the stoves in the barns it becomes an indoor boiler and they have no say what you do

Not true with this legislation, it will cover far more than outdoor units.  Its very broad and will effect the entire cordwood burning industry.   

Its all a Big mess, hate all of it

[yoderheating]

Fireboss
 First most outdoor boilers do not even have an UL rating for indoor use and just putting them indoors doesn't change that in the epa's mind. Second, the only exemptions I have noticed were for coal, oil and gas furnaces and fireplaces.

[Scott7m]

In regard to stove costs, yea heatmaster will have units under 8k but when folks start wanting to heat 5000sq ft theyll probably be spending well over 15k soon enough

[woodwalker2010]

Sounds like I need to hone my welding skills so if I ever need another stove, I'll just build my own and dare someone to tell me I can't use it to keep my family warm. I know that doesn't help you dealers out there but it's what a lot of folks with the means will do. Once again, the losers will be you small business guys out there trying to beat in an honest living with big brother kicking your tale. I'm hoping my P&M lasts forever but the welder is ready if I need it!!! Good luck to everyone.

[slimjim]

Woodwalker, I applaud your self reliant nature, did you ever hear the story behind RUBY RIDGE. I am currently trying to get an ammendment through the DEP here in Maine to get around the rules on OWB's to allow a homeowner to build his own boiler, that's right in this socialist state it is against the law to build your own boiler and use it on your own land if it does not have an EPA phase 2 tag on it. Do you guys and gals have any idea what it costs to take a boiler from the napkin to EPA phase 2 approval, it's no wonder we are in trouble here in this country.

[willowbk]

here in ct, i spoke w/ head of the owf/pollution division.  if you put an outdoor furnace inside a shed, it then turns the "entire" shed into an owf, thus you fall back into the regulations of the owf.  also speaking w/ him he had no concern or care that it was a phase 2 and refered all their problems back to traditional smoky owf.  our laws here havent been changed or updated in almost 10 years regarding owf's and thats not a good thing.

[fireboss]

If its in a  shed   how are they gonna no its a owb it wood be a wood stove for all they no ,they can't come on your land

[yoderheating]

 Fireboss,
 The real question I would have is where are you going to buy the furnace to put in your shed? The new regs give dealers 60 days to move instock traditional furnaces and then they are not allowed to sell them. Do you think a dealer like myself is willing to take the risk of stocking illegal furnaces? 

[victor6deep]

Ah im sure I will be able to find a billy bob stove on craigslist when the time comes. People will still go against the laws its just human nature to survive.