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[PeteBak]

I'm looking into getting the BL2840 but everyone I know who owns an outdoor furnace says don't get one with a brick lining since the bricks crack and disintegrate very quickly (within one or two years). Is anyone having trouble with their bricks?
If the bricks do crack and disintegrate, would this mess up the ash flow down to the pan?
What do people think about the brick lining in this model in general?

[slimjim]

petebak, I would bet that anybody telling you that the lining will crack and disintegrate is a competitor, it is a newer product for us but at this point I know of not one failure and I do know that we stand behind what we sell, that is what my job is! IF the ceramics do crack in the future, they are held in place by gravity and can very easily be replaced, the reason for the lining is to increase the temp of the fire and keep it hot for a cleaner and more efficient burn. To me as a service oriented guy is that the boiler is sectional and we can replace any part of the boiler very easily, in my opinion this boiler properly maintained should be a lifetime investment because of that feature.

[Brokenaxe]

Did I see somewhere that these bricks are reinforced with  something ?

[slimjim]

  Yes they are, I'm not sure but I think it is some sort of stainless steel shavings, I just did some experimenting with cutting the burn head for the chip boiler that I have (same ceramics) and my destruction saw with a 250 dollar blade did not like cutting it at all, KarlK would be the guy to ask about ceramics, he has been talking with us about our nozzles on the 250 and I think that is where we are going with those.

[PeteBak]

petebak, I would bet that anybody telling you that the lining will crack and disintegrate is a competitor, it is a newer product for us but at this point I know of not one failure and I do know that we stand behind what we sell, that is what my job is! IF the ceramics do crack in the future, they are held in place by gravity and can very easily be replaced, the reason for the lining is to increase the temp of the fire and keep it hot for a cleaner and more efficient burn. To me as a service oriented guy is that the boiler is sectional and we can replace any part of the boiler very easily, in my opinion this boiler properly maintained should be a lifetime investment because of that feature.

Two of my brothers told me to stay away from the brick because of cracking they experienced in their own non P-M outdoor furnaces.
What is the warranty on the bricks?
Is anyone out there having trouble with the brick lining?

[slimjim]

Good question I'll speak with Robert about the warranty on the lining today and get back to you.

[PeteBak]

Thanks SlimJim! Was wondering if you would post on my questions. Glad you have.

[slimjim]

I do try to watch and comment on all things associated with our products, if you would like you may PM me and I will give you my phone # for any quick questions that may come up, corporate will also give out my cell # to anybody that asks for it.

[Crow]

  Pete, I think this may be more about others talking about the nozzles in the gassers? The BL series is new this season so time will tell how the brick does. Other boilers have used a refractory I am sure but I couldn't say if they had problems or if they are the same construction. Other conventional owners with refractory will hopefully chime in.

[Sloppy_Snood]

I am thinking the Optimizers might be having material issues at the nozzle due to the 2000+ °F  temperatures that they are experiencing.

I do not believe the BL Ultimizer series are running that hot.  I think conventional units burn peak temperatures of 1600°F or so in the firebox but the refractory cement in the BL series may have increased the average high temperature that its refractory brick and cement might see.

Perhaps slimjim knows what actual temepratures are running in a BL Ultimizer firebox.... what say you slimjim?? 

[slimjim]

  I think the guy to talk to about that is our dealer in Wisconsin, he sells a lot of them and could more than likely answer that question, I only have one running here in Maine and I probably should not speak much about it, big brother may be watching.