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[slimjim]

Oh come on Randy, you can say it , Brian and I paid you for those wonderful comments didn't we!!!

[Scott7m]

Seriously drpinard, I would very much enjoy a spirited discussion about the comparisons of the 2 boilers and pricing, you see, Rick Young aka farmer for hire and I are old acquaintances, I have known Rick for years and never heard him say a bad word about any other boiler, not sure where you got your info but I would welcome the opportunity to debate you right here in the public regarding your unit and mine, what do you say, want to go for it.

That aint gonna happen, that would be like me arguing with stephen hawking about physics lol

[slimjim]

My e2400 has been running a month now. Great unit but why is my bypass door handle getting stiffer to open every day. I can't see behind the housing. Anyone have ideas?

Sounds like a problem to me, but you didn't have any problems right? We are here to share info and help each other not try to sell what brand we own as that's for each person to figure out on there own. Someone asks for an opinion then its cool to give yours but this post is not cool, not cool at all. For all you newbies looking for a stove go to the manufactures websites of all the stoves on this site, find things you like/dislike and do more research on the ones you like. Call the companies and ask questions, talk to owners but its about whats important to you..... their is no "one stove fits all". All the stoves listed on this site heat someone's home its up to you which one will heat yours. Keep warm people

[slimjim]

My e2400 has been running a month now. Great unit but why is my bypass door handle getting stiffer to open every day. I can't see behind the housing. Anyone have ideas?

Sounds like a problem to me, but you didn't have any problems right? We are here to share info and help each other not try to sell what brand we own as that's for each person to figure out on there own. Someone asks for an opinion then its cool to give yours but this post is not cool, not cool at all. For all you newbies looking for a stove go to the manufactures websites of all the stoves on this site, find things you like/dislike and do more research on the ones you like. Call the companies and ask questions, talk to owners but its about whats important to you..... their is no "one stove fits all". All the stoves listed on this site heat someone's home its up to you which one will heat yours. Keep warm people

  Awesome Post, where the heck is that like button

[slimjim]

Hey guys, I just tried to PM DrPinard and it will not go through, is that because he posted as a guest.

[CountryBoyJohn]

Actually, Slim, I believe it's because he deleted his account.  When he posted, his name was a link with the normal contact optoins below his name.  Yesterday sometime his name went black and the contact links went away.  I think that's what happens when you delete your account.  Too bad.  I don't think he took the criticism very well.

[Scott7m]

Hey guys, I just tried to PM DrPinard and it will not go through, is that because he posted as a guest.

Its called thin skin, cant believe he wanted everyone to "respond professionally" after him claiming his stove would eat the competition and making such bold statements with absolutely nothing to back any of it up.   

Oh well

[slimjim]

I sure wish that he would have stuck around to have a debate about the differences of the two units. I spoke with Brian and he remembers nobody asking for their deposit back, he is going to research that today, I personally think he was a rep or sales guy for CB and there is nothing wrong with that, what I don't understand is why he ran from a debate if he is so proud of the product, Again thanks to all who defended the integrity of this forum.

[agriffinjd]

I don't know if he was a sales rep for central, but here's one of his original posts where he's setting up his unit as a new install and seems quite happy.  Maybe he just didn't realize he sounded a tad condescending in his most recent post.

http://outdoorwoodfurnaceinfo.com/forum/index.php?topic=4077.0

[Crossir]

Wow! I just joined the forum today to get advise on this very subject. I am in the market for an owb and have it narrowed down to the P&M gasser or a CB gasser. The size or model number is yet to be determined. I live in central NY so an EPA phase 2 is a must. I had a Classic 5648 at our old house and loved it (grandfathered in). So, I would be heating a 3700 sq. ft. house that was built in 1850's. Windows and insulation have been updated around 20 years ago. Any info on this would be greatly appreciated.

[agriffinjd]

Wow! I just joined the forum today to get advise on this very subject. I am in the market for an owb and have it narrowed down to the P&M gasser or a CB gasser. The size or model number is yet to be determined. I live in central NY so an EPA phase 2 is a must. I had a Classic 5648 at our old house and loved it (grandfathered in). So, I would be heating a 3700 sq. ft. house that was built in 1850's. Windows and insulation have been updated around 20 years ago. Any info on this would be greatly appreciated.

This video may help: Outdoor Wood Furnace Tour

I ordered the non-epa gasser version (Ultimizer) from P&M.  I too had it down to either P&M or Central.  I ultimately chose P&M to avoid spray foam insulation and I wanted the brick lining (BL 3444).  Also a minor concern was the bad reputation about Central when it comes to warranty stuff.  I say this was minor because a friend had no problems with a warranty repair on his central boiler when he bought it 10 years ago and it had a leak after one year's use.  CB paid a guy to come weld it for him and provided any needed parts.  The rampant rumors about CB warranty or customer service stuff I think may have to do with the fact that they are the largest seller of OWBs, so they're going to have more claims made than others.  Another friend is on his second CB classic after the first one lasted about 15 years with no issues. 

There are a lot of videos on youtube with the central gassers.  A few with P&M gassers. 

Good luck.

[slimjim]

Wow! I just joined the forum today to get advise on this very subject. I am in the market for an owb and have it narrowed down to the P&M gasser or a CB gasser. The size or model number is yet to be determined. I live in central NY so an EPA phase 2 is a must. I had a Classic 5648 at our old house and loved it (grandfathered in). So, I would be heating a 3700 sq. ft. house that was built in 1850's. Windows and insulation have been updated around 20 years ago. Any info on this would be greatly appreciated.

If you wish, you can PM me, As a rep for PM I will try to answer your questions, I will not bash anybody but as you can see there are some very big differences in the two products, that is what you should be looking at

[boilerman]

Holy cow! I hadn't checked the site out for a while and this is the first thread I read. Evidently the dude didn't realize he was stepping into a Piranha tank of dealers not selling his brand and got the meat on his bones picked clean! Right, his comments were probably a little over exhuberent but it was pretty evident he was pretty pleased with his choice. Got in over his head in a hurry here. Hey there Slim, I've been operating CB's for a long time, an E2400 since 2010...you can read some of my back posts if you need to get up to speed. Maybe we can debate our model options, although I don't have a lot of time to post as I  have a day job. Let's start with your comparison of the P&M Optimizer 250 vrs Eclassic 2400. EPA's site shows the PM250 8hr burn time output at 78,252 BTU  and .23 particulate output and the CB E2400 at 261,506 BTU with a .12 particulate output. Eclassic 2400 appears to win 3 - 1 in output and lower emissions too. Even the CB E1450 has more output at 120,529 BTU. The E1450 also wins. Price? You stated the Opt250 prices out at $11,500. CB site shows their still larger E1450 at $9,875 with their current rebate. As for all the PM foam insulation bashing, do you really think CB would still be using urethane foam for 30 years if it traps moisture and guarantees failure? Pretty ludicrous claim. I believe failures are caused by not maintaining water treatments if exterior water jacket failures occur. When foam adheres straight to metal or other surface, since it is airtight no moisture can form. Otherwise all the old metal tank water heater sidewalls would have rotted out long ago due to their foam insulation....did not happen. This should be good for starters.

[slimjim]

boiler man it has been a really long day' I'm still on the road, do you mind if we continue in the morning

[martyinmi]

boilerman, you have to know you are in over your head......again, right?

Surely you remember the old saying...."Sometimes it's better to remain silent and thought........"